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On most degrees in many universities, just about every student will need access to those facilities, if they're to have the same level that they signed up for.
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On most degrees in many universities, just about every student will need access to those facilities, if they're to have the same level that they signed up for.
Had a little dig around and got the answers to one of my questions so thought I’d share. It will push the virus back 28 days if it’s well adhered to - still not sure about how this would work with Unis though
‘While the experts said the circuit breaker could push the epidemic back 28 days if it was well adhered to, they said multiple circuit-breaks might be necessary to keep cases low into the winter.’
From this Covid: ministers ignored Sage advice to impose lockdown or face catastrophe
As I’ve said, if it’s implemented to protect nhs capacity (this will differ locally across all regions though) or to buy time for imminent vaccine, I’m in and reckon most would grudgingly buy into it as well. If not, many won’t. Polling is massively in favour but the public is being asked a binary question suggesting a one off circuit break to solve the problem.... it’s far more complex than that (which I know you and some others here appreciate not sure everyone does though )
ps everyone see the London palladium packed out...WTF!!!
chiefdave
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Agree with everything in that post but especially this. Problem at the moment is they want to prioritise the economy without telling people they're happy to sacrifice them. So we're stuck in this middle ground where we have one of the highest death rates and one of the biggest economic impacts.
Liquid Gold
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Most universities have (or are in the process of) their libraries online now. They just scan the books and you log in to the library portal and read the books on your screen.
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I can safely say, in the universities I have direct experience of (and one in particular is certainly not low down the league table) the need to use the facilities is justified academically.
Now, there are things you can do to mitigate that, but it would not be physically possible to do the degrees (feeble arts ones) in the manner they were sold, without access to those facilities.
It isn't as simple as just throw everything online. if you're going to do that, you need financial recompense and, as that would leave a hole in universities funding, that needs government to plug the gap.
shmmeee
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Interesting. Of course schools and unis have a built in circuit breaker at Xmas anyway. Giving everyone two weeks off at Christmas with rules on travel and mixing households wouldn’t be that bad would it? Probably the least amount of economic and social impact.
I wonder if the hope is we can limp on until then and have the circuit breaker (hate that phrase) then.
Good point....appreciate it would very much be a limp as well !!!
People are putting this a straight economy v health decision. It’s not, it’s massively complex and as I’ve alluded to before it’s protecting the elderly (100% justifiable) but the cost in short and long term is likely to be borne by the young generation both socially and financially.
clint van damme
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There's a strong suggestion there's going to be a two week 'circuit breaker' around half term
shmmeee
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Yeah but I thought the message from govt at the moment was that ain’t gonna happen, hence me wondering if their “plan” is to struggle through to Xmas instead. I think medically both are probably needed but God knows.
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My argument has always been waiting ends up costing more to the economy, whatever your hopes of protecting it are.
(Plus I just don't want people I care about being compelled to go into places when I see no need, but that's a personal issue!)
shmmeee
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The conversation seems to have become binary again, like so much these days.
I’d have thought the debate should be where can we adapt so we don’t have to lockdown or have to lockdown as little as possible.
It seems to all be “total lockdown” vs “do nothing cos economy”. Where’s the innovation and thinking outside the box?
I’ve got to say the NZ closed island mode seems tempting from afar, but probably not realistic in an economy as integrated globally as ours is. Which leaves us with reducing spread as much as possible to avoid the need for lockdown. But still it’s all binary “open schools” vs “close schools” but no “do schooling differently” or “prioritise certain schooling”. Where’s the support for getting those without digital devices online or business moving online? Why can’t the state pay the landlord of empty spaces to provide more socially distanced schooling? Why aren’t we mandating masks everywhere?
It just feels like we’re obsessed with getting back to normal and letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I’m just glad I’m healthy and safe in stable employment and it’s just academic to me. I hate to think how I’d feel if I worked in hospitality or education right now.
I’d have thought the debate should be where can we adapt so we don’t have to lockdown or have to lockdown as little as possible.
It seems to all be “total lockdown” vs “do nothing cos economy”. Where’s the innovation and thinking outside the box?
I’ve got to say the NZ closed island mode seems tempting from afar, but probably not realistic in an economy as integrated globally as ours is. Which leaves us with reducing spread as much as possible to avoid the need for lockdown. But still it’s all binary “open schools” vs “close schools” but no “do schooling differently” or “prioritise certain schooling”. Where’s the support for getting those without digital devices online or business moving online? Why can’t the state pay the landlord of empty spaces to provide more socially distanced schooling? Why aren’t we mandating masks everywhere?
It just feels like we’re obsessed with getting back to normal and letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I’m just glad I’m healthy and safe in stable employment and it’s just academic to me. I hate to think how I’d feel if I worked in hospitality or education right now.
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Wouldn't even necessarily have had to do that. I could think of plenty of spaces that are state owned that could have been adapted, to spread things out. Would have also provided jobs for people when setting up those spaces, therefore providing income to town centre shops etc...
Why is there no “low” level? Maybe no area would be in it atm (although I would think parts of the SW could be) but it still needs to be defined so it’s ready for when an area does reach it and gives communities something to aim at.
Instead when we finally get to that point they’ll introduce another random system or just quietly drop the current. Clown shoes.
There is certainly a lack of creative thinking. I was saying all summer send the young kids to school so parents can go to work. Put as much of the curriculum online as you can and limit how much older kids are in while providing a backup option. Instead we’ve hoped for the best again.
There are plenty of solutions, none are perfect or easy but most are better than just hoping for the best. Whether for incompetence, ideology or whatever there is little creative thinking going on in central government.
If one small piece of good has come from it it is that Cummings has been exposed as a charlatan. This government is about as far removed from data driven systems thinking as it is possible to be.
skybluetony176
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I have a friend who’s a TA. She said weeks ago that schools were being primed for this by word of mouth, nothing official. I think in many respects for the conservatives this is very much the EU again in that the party is split, experiencing civil war over a single issue and through a fear of doing something they’re doing nothing until forced. At which point the reaction will be bigger than what would have been required had they done something about it in the first place.
Should have had tiers laid out 6 months ago. Would have avoided most of the confusion over what restrictions were in force.
Again, obvious simple stuff that took months to sink in. Apologies if I’m ranting but it’s becoming incredibly frustrating how we can’t get anything right.
Solutions as opportunities. Hire out struggling venues to provide socially distance lecture halls.
shmmeee
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Indeed. Though I’m trying to think of solutions which also meet the needs of Tory donors.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Used coronavirus tests handed out by mistake in Birmingham
One student who was given a used kit said some people had opened and used the testing kits.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not getting involved in the politics with all of this at the moment, but just saw this article.
What the actual fuck?
skybluetony176
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Interesting stat regarding the 42 Tory Covid rebels. 40 of them are brexiteers who think loosing billions from the economy in the name of brexit is all fine and dandy but when it comes to losing billions from the economy to save lives and protect the NHS its disgusting.
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Used coronavirus tests handed out by mistake in Birmingham
One student who was given a used kit said some people had opened and used the testing kits.
www.bbc.co.uk
clint van damme
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Used coronavirus tests handed out by mistake in Birmingham
One student who was given a used kit said some people had opened and used the testing kits.www.bbc.co.uk
That must have been chalked up as at least 8 tests!
David O'Day
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It's unis to online if needed.
It's not his proposal, it's the exact same as the leaked sage recommendations
Brighton Sky Blue
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SAGE then need to decide if I should teach freely or teach remotely as the halfway house doesn’t work for anyone
Said similar yesterday. We are now in double-think territory.
clint van damme
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haha!
fernandopartridge
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The debate between the government and Andy Burnham is interesting - Burnham wants to remain in Tier 2 but the government want Gt Manchester to go in to Tier 3.
The issue is now that the confidence of people within GM to go out and use bars and restaurants is ebbing away, so in many respects being in Tier 3 might end up a better option than businesses remaining open and unused.
Nearly 20k cases reported today. Number of tests again down and way below the alleged 'capacity'
The issue is now that the confidence of people within GM to go out and use bars and restaurants is ebbing away, so in many respects being in Tier 3 might end up a better option than businesses remaining open and unused.
Nearly 20k cases reported today. Number of tests again down and way below the alleged 'capacity'
Brighton Sky Blue
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Burnham has grown some balls since 2015 that’s for sure
Ian1779
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Or someone has finally let go of them.....
Philosoraptor
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From what I can understand the press has already briefed that there is a meeting at some point today about this. These meetings happen regularly but when the press is informed then there is a good probability that the decision has already been made.
What left wing support..? He was just a little less right wing then his colleagues. You can see this to his opposition of going into the basic very-high category.
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Yeah, I thought he moved a bit further left once he saw Corbyn gaining momentum (pun not intended!) in order to try and head him off, rather than for any particular uber-left leaning tendencies.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He said during the contest ‘the chancellor is being devious in trying to make me give my opinion’. It was just not willing to ever say what he actually thought that pissed me off. Good that he’s free of those particular shackles at least
skybluetony176
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Delusional is too small a word
Honest question.
Would they have the scale to undertake at likely projected number's?
Son in law is far busier now and at least seems to get through to a lot more poeple .
I know they have the knowledge .