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djr8369

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clint van damme said:
Decent article

www.spectator.co.uk

What lockdown sceptics get wrong

One of the more peculiar features of Covid is just how cleanly the crisis has split us down political lines. As a serving Tory councillor, you may assume that my views on masks, lockdown and the virus are predictable. But I’m also a microbiologist and I’m dismayed by the attitudes of some fellow...
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Good read.
The optimism for a vaccine always seemed to be clutching at straws.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Kieranp96 said:
The science he was told about herd immunity, he tried everyone moaned so he locked us down.
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No. He argued for herd immunity against the scientific experts. Experts would've locked down sooner and probably harder and if they had it wouldn't have got as bad as it did and we'd have been able to open up more quickly.

With no guarantee of immunity to reinfection, no vaccine forthcoming and even uncertainty at the time of the potency, infectiousness or longer term health implications of the virus herd immunity was never a viable option other than for someone who wants to put economics first (and even them it would've turned out to be a shit idea).
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Thing is, it is popular in the country, just not among his party.

The way we're going we're missing the slot anyway, and we need substantially longer locked down.
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I wouldn't call it 'popular', as in people actively want to do it. It's more a begrudging acceptance that it's what's needed. Like me having fruit and veg everyday doesn't mean I like or enjoy it - I'd love to be able to eat junk all the time - but I accept it's far better for me if I do.

Looking at it now it does look like with hindsight we should've locked down two weeks ago. With the lag between infection and serious problems it could get grim by the start of November.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Kieranp96 said:
Not saying it was but people didn't want lockdown so he tried herd immunity on the advice of his advisors, like 2 weeks later they l oked down as people were complaining about cases deaths ect, my point is you can't please everybody especially in todays day of age.
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Exactly. Advisors. Not experts. People who are there for political reasons, not the science.
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Ian1779

Ian1779

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Just had an email from my sons primary school - 2 cases of confirmed COV-ID in different bubbles, given the way they have set up with staff they have to now get too many staff to self-isolate so they have to close until 2nd Nov
 
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Ian1779 said:
Just had an email from my sons primary school - 2 cases of confirmed COV-ID in different bubbles, given the way they have set up with staff they have to now get too many staff to self-isolate so they have to close until 2nd Nov
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Does that affect you working, and therefore your classes?
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Does that affect you working, and therefore your classes?
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Yeah, the primary school don’t even have enough staff to be able to open to vulnerable/key workers.
My wife and I are both teachers, so just worked out how we’ll split the week. 2 days out, 2 days in each - haven’t sorted the last day of the week yet. Maybe Johnson will come to the rescue and close them all by then.. safe to say I’ll be making contingency plans.
 
jimmyhillsfanclub

jimmyhillsfanclub

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My youngest is off for another fucking 2 weeks..........such a dumb & damaging system.

The bubbles are virtually pointless....siblings still in school, parents still working, the virus is rife in the school & the local community so whats the fucking point exactly?

Just isolate symptomatic kids who test positive & keep the schools open, or close them down completely until xmas....but this fucking okey-cokey approach is ludicrous.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Ian1779 said:
Yeah, the primary school don’t even have enough staff to be able to open to vulnerable/key workers.
My wife and I are both teachers, so just worked out how we’ll split the week. 2 days out, 2 days in each - haven’t sorted the last day of the week yet. Maybe Johnson will come to the rescue and close them all by then.. safe to say I’ll be making contingency plans.
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You know he won’t. Our profession matters the least to him
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Seamus1 said:
In the news section of the ZOE Covid App, there is an update to say that the masks were donated. Tim Spector has apologised for the ‘mishandling’ of the issue
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Donated in exchange for nationwide advertising from a trusted source. Which would’ve cost millions to purchase on the open market.
 
chiefdave

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Wales following Northern Ireland into lockdown. Odds on Scotland doing the same and Johnson being left the odd one out again?
 
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Ian1779 said:
Yeah, the primary school don’t even have enough staff to be able to open to vulnerable/key workers.
My wife and I are both teachers, so just worked out how we’ll split the week. 2 days out, 2 days in each - haven’t sorted the last day of the week yet. Maybe Johnson will come to the rescue and close them all by then.. safe to say I’ll be making contingency plans.
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Avon Valley in Rugby now closing because of too many cases.

If this is a trend that's starting up, may as well formalise it around the country!
 
David O'Day

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shmmeee said:
Donated in exchange for nationwide advertising from a trusted source. Which would’ve cost millions to purchase on the open market.
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To be fair the zoe app is a privately created and maintained app. It's not run by any public bodies so while distasteful I can't see what is wrong there? Apart from silk is a poor material for a mask.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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David O'Day said:
To be fair the zoe app is a privately created and maintained app. It's not run by any public bodies so while distasteful I can't see what is wrong there? Apart from silk is a poor material for a mask.
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Ah my mistake I read it as the COVID app
 
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Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s changed it’s no longer as strong it only affects those who are already dead etc etc etc
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Hmmm.I did wonder about putting something similar, but it did seem in poor taste really.

That said, FFS can't we just acknowledge experts are there because of actual training, internet conspiracists are there because they're nutters.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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173 per 100k in cov adn yet we are tier 1. They must be looking at the demographics of cases as the heat map still indicates the vast majority of cov cases are students.
 
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