SkyBlueAussie
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I fear the worst...Just like 1987 when the Liverpool fans f.cked us over and we weren't allowed into Europe. It doesn't look good...the snowflakes are panicking.
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (26 Viewers)
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shmmeee
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Hmmm behavioural “science” isn’t exactly the hardest science. Seems like Cummings misplaced faith in data and woo again. I’d rather with something serious we went with hard science personally.
Whole bunch of medical doctors with decades of experience: shut this shit down
Dude in a hoodie with a laptop: hold on a second
Yeah I know who id trust to stop thousands of deaths.
David O'Day
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Our models aren't different, the admitted the modelled for an 80 percent infection rate. There will be many many models gamed
Well it's clearly a mixture of both. The Chief Medical Officer has probably forgotten more over breakfast this morning than the sum total of our combined knowledge on the matter.
David O'Day
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If it does happen it throws off the government's modelling as it takes people from low risk events and potentially moves them to higher risk activities
itsabuzzard
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It's a shame the epl and efl don't appear to be paying much attention to what he's saying. Too many people seem to think that it can somehow be avoided.
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Sky Blue Harry H
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If games did go ahead tomorrow, how many knocks on the referee's door from managers whose team are losing, saying 'our centre half/goalkeeper feel unwell' - game abandoned (call me a cynic!). On a side note, particularly on behalf of the old and people with health conditions, I've shifted strongly in my feelings about where football tables etc stand in terms of importance (and I'm City through and through)
shmmeee
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I mean clearly we are planning to take the same measures (that’s the medical advice) but have decided to time them as late as possible (the dude in hoodie advice). That’s my worry. Get the man bun twats out the way for this and let the CMO lead.
SeaSeeEffCee
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The Athletic are also reporting that games will be suspended later this morning.
David O'Day
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No the timing advise is from the medical advisers as well. Studies into previous pandemics note that forced measures implemented too early lead to fatigue in the measures and the possibility of more deaths.
Sky Blue Harry H
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It's the almost impossible task of isolating old folk-particularly those who are sick or require help. My wife works in a school, I have a son at Secondary school. I am based at home; however I am the main support/lifeline to our 3 'parents'.. One of them has 2 different carers each day. I find it almost impossible to envisage them not getting it at some point. I am not a worrier by nature, but having revisited the scenario more than once, I'm not overoptimistic for their prospects (will just feel gutted if I'm the conduit in any way, shape or form)
Taking this back to football for a minute. My take from yesterday was that the peak is many weeks away. Therefore, if we cancel fixtures tomorrow - it's not as though we can suddenly starting playing again in two weeks. Same with closing schools etc. If we go this way now, we'd have to maintain this for 2-3 months - otherwise there's no point. Therefore, a cancellation of fixtures now effectively signals the end of the football season.
The CMO and CSO I believe are taking the lead. It was striking how Boris continually deferred to them yesterday and at no point attempted to bluff his was through it. The CMO does not strike me as somebody who would be swayed by political influence, I think he'd rather resign than do that. I believe the UK position is being steered entirely by the scientists.
Winny the Bish
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We all know the EFL are just going to copy the Premier League.
I'm guessing all games postponed until April 4th, after the international break. Would mean 4 City games needing moving (Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, Accy).
I'm guessing all games postponed until April 4th, after the international break. Would mean 4 City games needing moving (Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, Accy).
David O'Day
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Luckily the current CSO is also a medical doctor
SkyBlueDom26
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Impossible mate, its not peaking until 10-14 weeks so it will be worse then
David O'Day
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The 4th of April is the rumoured pl date but yes you are right you couldn't restart the season then.
It does worry me that the pl and efl are going to take a knee jerk reaction against medical advice and governmental wishes.
If you stop all games you then have to factor in the displacement factor
Exactly the point people are missing. If the EFL go against government advice now, I cannot see how the season can be completed. It then becomes a straight choice between write-off the whole season or finish it now based on leagues postion/ppg. Either way, let the legal action begin.
SkyBlueDom26
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I can't see how legal action would be taken if they based it on Form
David O'Day
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Because some will argue it is mathematically possible for them to go up
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Nick
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There is far too much on the line for it to be written off at this late stage.
If we had played 5 games then maybe we could.
I can't see any other way without playing the games in some shape or form without the EFL getting absolutely hammered by lawyers.
Relegated teams who argue they could still survive
Teams outside the playoffs who say they could have got promoted
There's billions of pounds involved here, players will be on promotion bonuses, people will lose their jobs due to relegation etc. What about all of the wages paid to players over the last year? Contracts that are due etc.
Otis
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Can't see it, Nick. Players are contracting it now. Some clubs are in lockdown.
If we hold games tomorrow, I think that could be the last of them. It's only going to get worse.
I'd like to think the EFL have something in the small print that covers this kind of scenario, but if they have I think we'd know about it by now. Could get very messy this.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep gove must have been annoyed deferring to experts. Bojo was no clown yesterday
Otis
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Could be two months until the virus hits its peak though.
Suspend games now and try to complete them later, you are talking about maybe June before you could even resume.
Winny the Bish
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Would be hilarious if the EFL just decided that if you have less than 3 first-team players quarantined you keep playing.
covboy1987
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I think there is a possibly the game will go ahead tomorrow possibly even behimnd closed door - I fear this will be the last game for some time and basicaly the end of the season
Now I’m (obviously !) no expert and can’t say whether policies/plans by ours or other governments are right or wrong. What is crazy is people saying we are doing nothing. We have said from day one we would respond based on scientific evidence, if we are still following that then I won’t argue with the approach. For those that think the government is complacent or just can’t be arsed there are various things that they could do which I’ve included below -
Social gatherings (in particular outside) - outside - limited effect as virus doesnt cope as well outside so unlikely to be transmitted widely. Government has already asked those with any symptoms to self isolate so hopefully a majority/all going to these events should be in good health. Ultimately if people feel they are at greater risk or have symptoms, don’t go.
Close schools - this may be required for a long period (and advice has been to maximise the benefit of this is to do this at its peak). As soon as this kicks in what happens to health/social care sectors when parents who work in these industries are at home looking after their kids (who are at minimal risk) ? What about the elderly and infirm that need care ? Food and supplies that still needs to be delivered and sold ?
Close borders - what, like trumps done and is crazy as the virus is already wide spread in pretty much every major country ? Also if you close borders to every country what about transport of goods, supplies etc ? What about repatriating brits from around the globe who are in these travel banned countries ? (And are as likely to bring it back into the U.K. as foreign nationals)
Total lock down - unless you stop everyone going to work as well, I’m guessing it will still stay in circulation albeit at a lower level, probably until lock down ends. What about all the businesses closing and staff who won’t get paid ? What about getting food/supplies and care for those that need help ?
Finally, and this is what I’m guessing is key behind the governments longer term strategy in comparison with other nations, what happens if the virus is suppressed for a few months after taking some of the above actions and then reappears on the lead up to next winter....when the nhs is at its busiest and elderly and people with respiratory illnesses are at greater risk of serious illness ?
I’ve read numerous experts agreeing and disagreeing with our approach, I haven’t got a clue personally but these are massively tough decisions and to suggest we aren’t taking this as seriously (if not more so) than most countries is quite frankly ridiculous. What I would say is that it appears that the actions on day one (tracing and tracking individual /requesting immediate self isolation/ stay away from doctors surgeries)may have already had some positive impact as we are running behind most other major European nations in terms of cases etc.
This will need a massive effort from the whole of the country over I’m guessing a number of months (better hygiene, selflessness etc).
Ps just to highlight the point regarding statement politics, I heard yesterday that apparently one of the first recorded persons in US passed airport screening for the virus. Also Italy were also one of the first to ban flights from China.
Promise, final comment, those that are politicising it, I heard mayor khan on the radio earlier in the week who is taking advice regarding London from exactly the same government medical advisors (directly) and agrees with the governments approach. He is dealing with the most highly populated area of the country by far
Social gatherings (in particular outside) - outside - limited effect as virus doesnt cope as well outside so unlikely to be transmitted widely. Government has already asked those with any symptoms to self isolate so hopefully a majority/all going to these events should be in good health. Ultimately if people feel they are at greater risk or have symptoms, don’t go.
Close schools - this may be required for a long period (and advice has been to maximise the benefit of this is to do this at its peak). As soon as this kicks in what happens to health/social care sectors when parents who work in these industries are at home looking after their kids (who are at minimal risk) ? What about the elderly and infirm that need care ? Food and supplies that still needs to be delivered and sold ?
Close borders - what, like trumps done and is crazy as the virus is already wide spread in pretty much every major country ? Also if you close borders to every country what about transport of goods, supplies etc ? What about repatriating brits from around the globe who are in these travel banned countries ? (And are as likely to bring it back into the U.K. as foreign nationals)
Total lock down - unless you stop everyone going to work as well, I’m guessing it will still stay in circulation albeit at a lower level, probably until lock down ends. What about all the businesses closing and staff who won’t get paid ? What about getting food/supplies and care for those that need help ?
Finally, and this is what I’m guessing is key behind the governments longer term strategy in comparison with other nations, what happens if the virus is suppressed for a few months after taking some of the above actions and then reappears on the lead up to next winter....when the nhs is at its busiest and elderly and people with respiratory illnesses are at greater risk of serious illness ?
I’ve read numerous experts agreeing and disagreeing with our approach, I haven’t got a clue personally but these are massively tough decisions and to suggest we aren’t taking this as seriously (if not more so) than most countries is quite frankly ridiculous. What I would say is that it appears that the actions on day one (tracing and tracking individual /requesting immediate self isolation/ stay away from doctors surgeries)may have already had some positive impact as we are running behind most other major European nations in terms of cases etc.
This will need a massive effort from the whole of the country over I’m guessing a number of months (better hygiene, selflessness etc).
Ps just to highlight the point regarding statement politics, I heard yesterday that apparently one of the first recorded persons in US passed airport screening for the virus. Also Italy were also one of the first to ban flights from China.
Promise, final comment, those that are politicising it, I heard mayor khan on the radio earlier in the week who is taking advice regarding London from exactly the same government medical advisors (directly) and agrees with the governments approach. He is dealing with the most highly populated area of the country by far
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Sky Blue Pete
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That’s what I was saying and why I think the experts are correct. So sad that the reality will be premature deaths and hope the numbers are in line with normal flu each year. Although still sad for each family of course
Sky Blue Pete
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They don’t on line someone should ask
This big question is 'when'. From what we are advised, this would likely be the end of April - and even that's no guarantee. This would push the season into the summer (assuming the Euros are cancelled). This would then seriously delay the start of next season, which would also be a problem as the Euros would be put back to the following summer. Germany are seriously considering just cancelling the whole season. It could happen here.
