fernandopartridge
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You've said it in other threads, now it effects you suddenly politics matters
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (346 Viewers)
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Nick
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I'm not being political, I'm not turning it into a right or left jumpathon.
I couldn't give a shit if it's tories, labour or lib dems. They are all pricks.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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If I´m honest, I don´t really understand the graph and what the dates are supposed to be. Are you saying the uptake increased in July last year?
Sure, every time people´s liberties are threatened, some will get the jab, but there is a hardcore (if you want to call it that) which have ´resisted´ so far. I wouldn´t be expecting them to suddenly rock up and get the jab two years in.
I really think the idea that the remaining unvaccinated people will get it is a lost cause, and whilst the ´fully vaccinated´ changes to one booster, and then to another, more and more people will not rock up and get it. I think when policies are implemented that needs to be taken into account. The percentage of people fully vaccinated will not get a lot higher than it is now.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It is.
I am frequently finding bars (when they are open) charging 8 to 10 euros a pint. Of course, it depends where you go and if it is a tourist location etc.
I was in Oslo in 2019 and that was actually cheaper in a nightclub for a pint than it was in some bars here.
Grendel
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Well it would if people were given no option of negative tests as an alternate we will soon see if Macron gets his way - as he puts it to Piss off the anti vaxxers so there liberty is severely restricted to the extent they can do very little
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It is a bold move from him.
The French are one of few western societies where they might rebel against it en-masse or with violence. They love a protest.
Will be interesting to see how that unravels.
Here’s another version of a similar chart:
That’s a huge surge of old people deciding to get vaccinated in just the past week, after almost a year of holding out! All after the vaccine rules tightened up.
I’m not here to argue about whether vaccine requirements are designed to ‘threaten liberties’. But what is clear is that they can still jolt people - many of them vulnerable - into getting vaccinated, even after all this time. The idea that there aren’t more people left to persuade, or any more ways left to persuade them, doesn’t seem to be correct. We shouldn’t give up.
Grendel
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There is an alternative for people now. If negative testing was not valid I think people would surge to get the vaccine especially as it would restrict foreign travel and eating out etc.
Nick
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How will that stop the spread of Omicron?
Liquid Gold
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I do sort of respect Macron choosing violence here even though I normally think he's a prick.
It scares the shit out of me that it's going to push more people towards Le Pen in April though.
It scares the shit out of me that it's going to push more people towards Le Pen in April though.
Liquid Gold
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I think the point is that if everybody is vaccinated the threat of our health services is a lot lower and we don't need to introduce other restrictions.
At the moment it's only the selfish pricks that are clogging up ICU stopping hospitals doing the rest of their jobs.
If we have 100% vaccination then it's a much easier case to say we can carry on as normal.
Bear with me on this one. But if unvaccinated people get jabbed, or if unboosted people get the booster, it lowers your chances of getting and spreading Omicron.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I don´t disagree with you in that sense. The changing of rules does almost certainly correlate with an uptake, however; the uptake in the UK is already high and across different countries the ´taking away liberties´ rules are at different stages. Culturally people are different too. Here in the Netherlands if you do not have the jab you cannot go out to eat (when the restaurants are open). Sure, you can get a test but it is a massive effort and your QR code lasts only 2 days. Most people I know don´t bother. The rules are pretty much on top level tight. There is not a lot more that people can do tighten the rules which will jolt people into getting the jab. It looks like the rules are about as strict as they can be.
I get your point, and as I said, I don´t disagree with what you are saying. I just think there are a lot of different variables across the world from the Hong Kong model.
We do this every time with French elections - never happens.
Nick
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There would still be thousands of people isolating when they test positive. Hospitals are cancelling operations and stating that staff being off work is the reason rather than no ICU beds.
100% vaccination will never happen.
It's easier for Boris to start a war between vaccinated and unvaccinated though.
Grendel
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It would if you made it a rule to have it or you would not be allowed into your place of work
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I think the problem is that Macron doesn´t really have any reasonable challenger. If he did there is no way he would have pulled this move.
They say 5 million people in France are unvaccinated, and he has just (in his own words) pissed them off.
I don´t really trust the polls, but if it has given Le Pen a chance then he really is an idiot.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That is kind of my point. There will always be a resistance for whatever reasons rightly or wrongly. 100% vaccinated and a sort of zero covid policy will not happen.
Either we can play that game for another year or two or we can work with what we have and try to get society back to a level and normal working order.
Liquid Gold
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We could change the rules to stop positive tests isolating if everybody is vaccinated.
Nick
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How would that work? People would still be dying with it and going into hospital with it.
Grendel
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90% of ICU patients are not vaccinated
ccfc92
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Tested positive on a LF Monday and got a positive PCR test confirmed yesterday, most likely from the Millwall game.
Feel no worse than a cold/cough, n a bit feverish. I have had 2 jabs though, so not sure if that's helped or not.
I am finding that a strong couple of vodkas help
Feel no worse than a cold/cough, n a bit feverish. I have had 2 jabs though, so not sure if that's helped or not.
I am finding that a strong couple of vodkas help
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That isn´t true.
Nick
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That's wrong as well.
It was “pushed” as lowering your chances of catching it, and thereby spreading it. And it still does!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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There is no question the vaccine has saved lives, in nearly all cases in older or vulnerable people however, but the transmission reduction has been massively underwhelming.
We are the most vaccinated we have ever been and it has still been spreading like wildfire with some of the highest number of cases ever.
SBAndy
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Corrrr, it’s almost like there was a different, vaccine-evading variant on the loose…
Nick
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So by the time we lockdown those who aren't boosted it will be time for another one.....Next thing you know, if you haven't had your 8 weekly jab that the vast majority don't personally really need, you can't leave the house to go to work.
