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LOLNot sure what that proves? I didn't say it was the theme of the night, I said that it is the way it is going to go.
Try again.
If the trust are listening to the people they had along to the meeting as experts then they need to greatly distance themselves from protests and boycott (anyone else notice Moz get JHW and SBT mixed up at the end, doesn't give a big impression of separation). Need to work on repairing the relationship with Fisher and Sepalla so that civil talks can be held, even if just an informal chat. And need to work out what could be a viable exit strategy for SISU that the Trust has a realistic chance of being able to achieve.
To the supporters they need to put forward a viable plan for running the club should fan ownership be obtaining. I'm not talking cashflow forecasts and every little detail, just a general overview of how the major obstacles will be overcome. We don't want to end up in a position where fans are chucking a grand in thinking we'll be in the PL in 3 or 4 years. It has to be made very clear how fan ownership will work and what is possible. And of course is it a stopping point to getting a new owner.
Think most of us are quite happy with that.Thing is though, you listen to Jan pushing it and he talks about the Championship and then the Premier League but then you listen to the speakers and they pretty much rule out the Championship, never mind the Premier League because of the money there. The scenarios they have explained pretty much say you are limited, so the only difference there is going to be is communication with the fans which can only go so far (although it would be very welcome). Players will still need to be sold to balance the books.
Think most of us are quite happy with that.
Sell a player for £1.5m, but reinvest say half a million of that back into recruitment. That's the way to go.
It's what most clubs do. Pretty much every football club is a selling club. You have to have a degree of ambition to go with it though.
Sell by all means, but reinvest a percentage on a player that is as little detriment to the playing side as possible.
Think it would be a hard sell. Look at the response when Maddison was sold. That was to cover the cost of keeping the club going as SISU had to put in an emergency loan to cover cash flow.Sell a player for £1.5m, but reinvest say half a million of that back into recruitment. That's the way to go.
Good lad, will try and load it up shortly!
Can Sw88 do updates throughout in case I need to move away from Computer?
Break even 11000 fans,crowds of 11000 plus , of sorry miscalculated meant 13000 LOLThe supporters direct guy said somebody was a troll because he wasn't happy with a fan owned club selling players. He could have pretty much read from something Tim Fisher would have written when talking about break even and stability (but without the crystal clearness).
I can understand break even, I can also see how if it was a fan the communication about break even would be much better as I've said is Fisher's issue.
Yeah I managed to watch it in the end, thanks.You don't have to be on twitter to read it, just look at CJ Joiner (@CJ_covblaze) on Twitter
Tony are you watching the stream? I don't see how you can be watching and not think a boycott is being pushed.
We've had the Palace bloke in the CT saying the fans need to turn up and the Pompey chap and Supporters Direct tonight. The same advise is coming from everyone and the various supporters organisations and fans are ignoring it.
For me now I'd like to see something from the Trust to outline the major scenarios. Buying from SISU, buying from admin and liquidation. What is required for each and what as supporters we could expect to be the outcome.
There's no way the fans are buying off SISU without some serious investment from wealthy fans so we need to know if they exist and are prepared to basically gift their money or are we just waiting for SISU to put us into administration at some point down the line.
If the clubs not going into admin you have to give SISU an exit strategy. For example Ryton was said to be worth £8m for housing wasn't it. You could say to SISU give us the club and you keep Ryton. Ask the council for a loan to build training facilities to complement those at Warwick Uni, so we'd basically own the same as we do now but also have use of their facilities for the academy. Then pressure can be put on Wasps to give us a better deal as we are potentially fan owned.
Something like that and you might get SISU's interest.
I was there Dave, admin wasn't been pushed by board reps on the stage and the boycott talk was being driven from the floor. One of the most impassioned speakers was my mates brother and he's not a member of the trust.
What did come out is that the trust need to be ready if the club did go into admin as you need to be able to move fast, Pompey had the advantage of an unusually long admin period which helped their trust but most potential buyers don't get that luxury.
One thing that the SD and the Pompey guy kept stipulating was the need for fan unity, something we all need to bear in mind.
For me now I'd like to see something from the Trust to outline the major scenarios. Buying from SISU, buying from admin and liquidation. What is required for each and what as supporters we could expect to be the outcome.
There's no way the fans are buying off SISU without some serious investment from wealthy fans so we need to know if they exist and are prepared to basically gift their money or are we just waiting for SISU to put us into administration at some point down the line.
If the clubs not going into admin you have to give SISU an exit strategy. For example Ryton was said to be worth £8m for housing wasn't it. You could say to SISU give us the club and you keep Ryton. Ask the council for a loan to build training facilities to complement those at Warwick Uni, so we'd basically own the same as we do now but also have use of their facilities for the academy. Then pressure can be put on Wasps to give us a better deal as we are potentially fan owned.
Something like that and you might get SISU's interest.
But we have always sold players and fans have always moaned.Think it would be a hard sell. Look at the response when Maddison was sold. That was to cover the cost of keeping the club going as SISU had to put in an emergency loan to cover cash flow.
Good idea!!For me now I'd like to see something from the Trust to outline the major scenarios. Buying from SISU, buying from admin and liquidation. What is required for each and what as supporters we could expect to be the outcome.
There's no way the fans are buying off SISU without some serious investment from wealthy fans so we need to know if they exist and are prepared to basically gift their money or are we just waiting for SISU to put us into administration at some point down the line.
If the clubs not going into admin you have to give SISU an exit strategy. For example Ryton was said to be worth £8m for housing wasn't it. You could say to SISU give us the club and you keep Ryton. Ask the council for a loan to build training facilities to complement those at Warwick Uni, so we'd basically own the same as we do now but also have use of their facilities for the academy. Then pressure can be put on Wasps to give us a better deal as we are potentially fan owned.
Something like that and you might get SISU's interest.
The thing that became clear listening to the Pompey guy is the need for fan unity.So is there an actual plan or is it more bluster, back slapping and Facebook likes??
I'm not sure how you got that as the thrust of the evening Nick, it wasn't the case.The same thing has been said twice in a day about a boycott and picking up the club from admin.
It's a dangerous path to go down.
I'm not sure how you got that as the thrust of the evening Nick, it wasn't the case.
I'm not saying it wasn't mentioned but I think all scenarios are being considered.
The guy from SD was trying to encourage talking to sisu but the trust reckon they just don't want to know, if so it makes negotiation very difficult.
I'm not sure how you got that as the thrust of the evening Nick, it wasn't the case.
I'm not saying it wasn't mentioned but I think all scenarios are being considered.
The guy from SD was trying to encourage talking to sisu but the trust reckon they just don't want to know, if so it makes negotiation very difficult.
If the Trust say SISU won't engage with them, how about you Nick and a small number of other prominent posters on here get together and try and get a meeting with SISU to discuss viable exit strategies and the question of whether they will ever entertain selling?
But it suits some people to push one thing that was mensioned and forget the rest.I'm not sure how you got that as the thrust of the evening Nick, it wasn't the case.
I'm not saying it wasn't mentioned but I think all scenarios are being considered.
The guy from SD was trying to encourage talking to sisu but the trust reckon they just don't want to know, if so it makes negotiation very difficult.
I haven't said it was the Thrust of the evening. I said I can see that is the way it is going to go (my opinion). Especially as the same thing has been said more than once now.
Thing is, the trust keep going to the telegraph saying they need to be spoken to and then Moz says he spoke to Fisher on Saturday. Why keep going to the Telegraph to make statements and not just ask him on the phone?
The SD guy was trying to say to keep anything that could be seen as unprofessional seperate from the trust, yet people from the trust sat there having digs at them. They need to keep the trust professional without all of the un-needed digs no matter how much they hate people.
Moz was on the phone to Fisher on Saturday, yes he isn't "strictly" SISU but how much of it was discussed with him? Fisher has offered a fans forum that was rejected, take him up on it and at least put things learnt from supports direct to him?
Thats the perfect example. Him saying that was followed by 10 mins of others on the stage having a dig at SISU. Not to say its undeserved but we need to think about what the objective is.The guy from SD was trying to encourage talking to sisu but the trust reckon they just don't want to know, if so it makes negotiation very difficult.
But it suits some people to push one thing that was mensioned and forget the rest.
Most agreed that administration was not a good thing but might be the only way for Sisu leaving.
And as for the trust showing their cards who does that before they show the people they are dealing with it weakens your hand.
But it suits some people to push one thing that was mensioned and forget the rest.
Most agreed that administration was not a good thing but might be the only way for Sisu leaving.
And as for the trust showing their cards who does that before they show the people they are dealing with it weakens your hand.
I agree, but if they want to unite the support and enlighten people to what can be done they are going to have to be a bit more forthcoming, that doesn't mean they have to put everything in the public domain.
Yes that's not a bad idea either and let's face it, Fisher is our only tangible conduit to SISU.
If we had a forum and the question of selling was brought up then maybe we might get a definitive answer. Well as 'definitive' as you can get with SISU.
I doubt you would get one from Fisher, so it would have to be clever questioning and not letting him wriggle out of it or giving him any ammo to get out of it. The moment a fan or somebody says something stupid he would play on it and go to town.
Only have to listen to Jan on the radio earlier to hear him get tied up in knots by a radio presenter, what would Fisher do?
Well I vote for OSB58 asking the question then!!
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