Match Thread Coventry City - Sheffield United Match Thread - Saturday 23rd Nov (15 Viewers)

[skyblue025]

Hook area.
Just arrived and parking up.

Me too. Thought I was the only one.

 

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[napolimp]

Today showed pretty clearly why the league position is nowhere near that. Stupid goals conceded, attractive but indecisive attacking play and conceding vast swathes of space in midfield.

Good news is that a CB with experience of organising a defence, and a good defensive coach, could probably sort that out. So in the grand scheme of things not the worst problem to have.

 

[Otis]

Good news is that a CB with experience of organising a defence, and a good defensive coach, could probably sort that out. So in the grand scheme of things not the worst problem to have.

Yeah, we're not far off are we.

 

[HJones23]

Thought they looked a very average team with a few stand out players. Gus key in both goals, Rak-Sakyi looks premier league level and that Souza in the midfield is head and shoulders their best player, they’ve done well to hold onto him. I think Wilder made the wrong change after the red card by leaving COH on as he was very quiet. Also very surprised how quiet their fans were, I know they are a horrible bunch but Wednesday have much louder fans imo.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Thought they looked a very average team with a few stand out players. Gus key in both goals, Rak-Sakyi looks premier league level and that Souza in the midfield is head and shoulders their best player, they’ve done well to hold onto him. I think Wilder made the wrong change after the red card by leaving COH on as he was very quiet. Also very surprised how quiet their fans were, I know they are a horrible bunch but Wednesday have much louder fans imo.

Hamer is key for them.
Take him out of the team and they'd be pretty average.

 

[Hutch11]

Thought they looked a very average team with a few stand out players. Gus key in both goals, Rak-Sakyi looks premier league level and that Souza in the midfield is head and shoulders their best player, they’ve done well to hold onto him. I think Wilder made the wrong change after the red card by leaving COH on as he was very quiet. Also very surprised how quiet their fans were, I know they are a horrible bunch but Wednesday have much louder fans imo.

Wednesday are always louder
The blunts are a hopeless fan base

 

[CovValleyBoy]

City started so well yesterday. Dominated. Credit Rhys Carr.
Callum OHare was so poor. On reflection felt sorry for him. His confidence looks totally shot.

 

[robbiethemole]

Fuck him! He made his choice, what a shame if it’s going sour.

 

[alexccfc99]

City started so well yesterday. Dominated. Credit Rhys Carr.
Callum OHare was so poor. On reflection felt sorry for him. His confidence looks totally shot.

Tbh, I thought that Wilder's decision to hook Hamer and COH was strange

Hamer was bossing the game and O'Hare was pressing us quite well when his side was up against it imo

Oh well

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No. I think they’re endemic of the defending this season. I’ll have to watch them back but generally speaking wing backs are allowed to go forwards and when they do that’s not out of position no matter what a bunch of SBT posters who only understand 442 and keep calling him a left back say.

WB's primary focus is on defensive duties, but getting forward when possible. Not on attacking duties and getting back when possible. The 3CB's are there to cover and slow down an attack until the WB can get back into the defensive formation. They're not expected to deal with the situation while the WB just stays upfield.

Look at it this way. If the opposition have a winger going down the line, who would you expect to be tracking them? The wingback. But if their full back has the ball would you expect the WB to be closing them down? No, because it would leave us exposed defensively.

Also if you look at teams that change from a full back and wingers to a WB formation, which player tends to get the nod for the wing back position? It's almost always the full back, because their defensive abilities outweigh the attacking/crossing abilities of the winger. Only time that might be different is if it's a top team who don't expect to have to defend much in the game and the WB effectively plays as a winger anyway.

 

[stupot07]

Just had a look at the Sheffield forum, they are so salty, and hate Bassette. We owed them one for the McEverley "yellow"

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Tbh, I thought that Wilder's decision to hook Hamer and COH was strange

Hamer was bossing the game and O'Hare was pressing us quite well when his side was up against it imo

Oh well

I thought OHare was totally ineffective. I do drink a few before the match though & you can't get a standard 4% up the City these days it's all 5% ish !!?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Thought they looked a very average team with a few stand out players. Gus key in both goals, Rak-Sakyi looks premier league level and that Souza in the midfield is head and shoulders their best player, they’ve done well to hold onto him. I think Wilder made the wrong change after the red card by leaving COH on as he was very quiet. Also very surprised how quiet their fans were, I know they are a horrible bunch but Wednesday have much louder fans imo.

Wilder has got them set up to be solid and rely on the quality they've got to get them goals and to be fair it works.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wilder has got them set up to be solid and rely on the quality they've got to get them goals and to be fair it works.

They didn’t look solid yesterday with 11 men to be honest. A more clinical side would have really hurt them

 

[pusbccfc]

I thought OHare was totally ineffective. I do drink a few before the match though & you can't get a standard 4% up the City these days it's all 5% ish !!?

Wasted in that side really.

 

[fingers_crossed]

Some interesting take away from the game
1) the fact that Carr is interim manager ahead of Delaney and Boateng is quite telling. They are former pros and in theory more experienced than he is. Have also seen quotes from the players commenting on Carr‘s level of detail. I hope that he’ll have a place in the new regime.
2) Wilder‘s comments are way off the mark. How can he comment on the effort shown by the players in games he hasn’t even seen? It isn’t lack of effort that has got us here. Our Keeper hasn’t even made a save and we have conceded two goals. To be clear I’m not blaming Collins, our problem is we’re too easy to create chance against, and other teams are far more ruthless in front of goal than we are. It’s strange that an experienced championship manager can see our problems unfold right in front of him, yet choose to invent other ones from matches he hasn’t seen.

 

[shmmeee]

Some interesting take away from the game
1) the fact that Carr is interim manager ahead of Delaney and Boateng is quite telling. They are former pros and in theory more experienced than he is. Have also seen quotes from the players commenting on Carr‘s level of detail. I hope that he’ll have a place in the new regime.
2) Wilder‘s comments are way off the mark. How can he comment on the effort shown by the players in games he hasn’t even seen? It isn’t lack of effort that has got us here. Our Keeper hasn’t even made a save and we have conceded two goals. To be clear I’m not blaming Collins, our problem is we’re too easy to create chance against, and other teams are far more ruthless in front of goal than we are. It’s strange that an experienced championship manager can see our problems unfold right in front of him, yet choose to invent other ones from matches he hasn’t seen.

it’s absolutely lack of effort

 

[shmmeee]

Let’s be honest if yesterday was Robins the robins out crew would be wanking themselves silly about slow changes and poor tactics. Yet because it’s not suddenly he’s a tactical genius for playing one up against ten men for half the second half.

 

[TomRad85]

Let’s be honest if yesterday was Robins the robins out crew would be wanking themselves silly about slow changes and poor tactics. Yet because it’s not suddenly he’s a tactical genius for playing one up against ten men for half the second half.

2 draws against the top 2 under Robins and we'd be hearing its encouraging and we're turning a corner lets be realistic here.

 

[TomRad85]

it’s absolutely lack of effort

If the players weren't putting in effort under Robins you don't see an issue with that?

 

[fernandopartridge]

They didn’t look solid yesterday with 11 men to be honest. A more clinical side would have really hurt them

We played well, it's not always that the opposition are shit

 

[shmmeee]

2 draws against the top 2 under Robins and we'd be hearing its encouraging and we're turning a corner lets be realistic here.

Take everything else out and draws against these two is par for the course really. Burnley id have expected is to lose.

We were turning a corner TBF. I know you don’t want to believe that. I think the last two were both there for the win if we hadn’t gifted them a head start or could put the pressure on better. We’ve had a bad start and it’s made people think we’re a bad side but listen to other managers and we aren’t seen as a bottom three side like the fans see us.

 

[Hutch11]

Some interesting take away from the game
1) the fact that Carr is interim manager ahead of Delaney and Boateng is quite telling. They are former pros and in theory more experienced than he is. Have also seen quotes from the players commenting on Carr‘s level of detail. I hope that he’ll have a place in the new regime.
2) Wilder‘s comments are way off the mark. How can he comment on the effort shown by the players in games he hasn’t even seen? It isn’t lack of effort that has got us here. Our Keeper hasn’t even made a save and we have conceded two goals. To be clear I’m not blaming Collins, our problem is we’re too easy to create chance against, and other teams are far more ruthless in front of goal than we are. It’s strange that an experienced championship manager can see our problems unfold right in front of him, yet choose to invent other ones from matches he hasn’t seen.

Wilder is and always has been a twat
He fits that twatty club and it's twatty fans to a tee

 

[TomRad85]

Take everything else out and draws against these two is par for the course really. Burnley id have expected is to lose.

We were turning a corner TBF. I know you don’t want to believe that. I think the last two were both there for the win if we hadn’t gifted them a head start or could put the pressure on better. We’ve had a bad start and it’s made people think we’re a bad side but listen to other managers and we aren’t seen as a bottom three side like the fans see us.

He weren't turning a corner ffs. The Derby game summed it all up. Totally embarrassing.

 

[covcity4life]

Let’s be honest if yesterday was Robins the robins out crew would be wanking themselves silly about slow changes and poor tactics. Yet because it’s not suddenly he’s a tactical genius for playing one up against ten men for half the second half.

Seen the opposite too havnt we? People saying we slow and laborious when would have said we played well and unlucky under robins

 

[shmmeee]

We played well, it's not always that the opposition are shit

Im not sure we did TBH. We got carved open basically at the first two attempts, I think with 11 they’d have been happy to keep doing that. Once they went down to ten we had no idea what to do really.

 

[shmmeee]

He weren't turning a corner ffs. The Derby game summed it all up. Totally embarrassing.

I mean the form table says otherwise. If you think you won’t see another performance like Derby from these players I think you’re going to be disappointed.

 

[TomRad85]

I mean the form table says otherwise. If you think you won’t see another performance like Derby from these players I think you’re going to be disappointed.

Yeh wasn't just Derby though was it...
The Derby game where you said you wanted him sacked no less

 

[shmmeee]

Yeh wasn't just Derby though was it...
The Derby game where you said you wanted him sacked no less

Derby we were shocking. We were shocking a few times. But we’d also had two good games before Derby. And progress isn’t linear.

And if you’d told me during Derby the alternative was Wank Frampard then I’d have kept my fucking mouth shut!

 

[PVA]

Tbh, I thought that Wilder's decision to hook Hamer and COH was strange

Hamer was bossing the game and O'Hare was pressing us quite well when his side was up against it imo

Oh well

I think Hamer picked up a knock to be fair.

 

[TomRad85]

Derby we were shocking. We were shocking a few times. But we’d also had two good games before Derby. And progress isn’t linear.

And if you’d told me during Derby the alternative was Wank Frampard then I’d have kept my fucking mouth shut!

End of the day the season is the form table, we were joint third bottom averaging a point a game and 1 or 2 games aside had been a totally depressing watch. From a pretty favorable set of fixtures might I add.

 

[shmmeee]

End of the day the season is the form table, we were joint third bottom averaging a point a game and 1 or 2 games aside had been a totally depressing watch. From a pretty favorable set of fixtures might I add.

Nah that bollocks. If you’re looking to see if we’ve turned a corner you don’t look at the whole season.

I think from the looks of it the players had stopped playing so it’s all a bit moot anyway.

 

[clint van damme]

Take everything else out and draws against these two is par for the course really. Burnley id have expected is to lose.

We were turning a corner TBF. I know you don’t want to believe that. I think the last two were both there for the win if we hadn’t gifted them a head start or could put the pressure on better. We’ve had a bad start and it’s made people think we’re a bad side but listen to other managers and we aren’t seen as a bottom three side like the fans see us.

To be honest, even though my views on recent events align with yours more than a lot of other posters on here, (and also seem to align with actual people I meet in real life!), I can't look at the last 2 results as anything other than really good results and am a bit disappointed not to have got a winner in at least one of them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To be honest, even though my views on recent events align with yours more than a lot of other posters on here, (and also seem to align with actual people I meet in real life!), I can't look at the last 2 results as anything other than really good results and am a bit disappointed not to have got a winner in at least one of them.

100% should have got one yesterday, but we really struggled to break down the 10 men.

 

[shmmeee]

To be honest, even though my views on recent events align with yours more than a lot of other posters on here, (and also seem to align with actual people I meet in real life!), I can't look at the last 2 results as anything other than really good results and am a bit disappointed not to have got a winner in at least one of them.

They are good results. All I’m saying is up until a few weeks ago they are results we’d expect, if not a little disappointing. Both are sides we have an excellent record against, like Boro. I’ve seen a lot of “top 2!!!” But they’re just the same stripes red cunts we’ve been beating for years. And I do think under a proper manager we’d have won yesterday. I thought we handled the red terribly TBH.

What I’m seeing now is base performance we’ve had up until this season.