covcity4life
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what do you mean?
Sorry West Brom, his fault?
what do you mean?
absurd. pardew got them relegated.You said that his teams pick up enough points to avoid relegation from the Prem- his West Brom team that took what 12 points from his last 20 odds games as manager? His fault West Brom were relegated.
absurd. pardew got them relegated.
the stats are he left them 1 pt above the relegation spots. pardew then got them rock bottom and releagted before moore gave them some pride at end of season.Haha, that is absurd. Both got them relegated. Pardew finished the job, that Pulis had started. He was never going to save them. Can't deny the stats.
the stats are he left them 1 pt above the relegation spots. pardew then got them rock bottom and relegated before moore gave them some pride at end of season.
a poor period for him sure but his c.v cannot be argued with
a success at stoke,west brom,palace and currently at middlesborough
It makes me laugh how long ball tactics is bemoaned so much and labelled prehistoric football.
Fans of a age of say 35+ grew up on football with effective strong target men and tricky quick wingers with no nonsense midfielders who could play, purposeful balls up to the big man who if your lucky could score if not the tricky fast fella next to him would bag the goals of his work. Commanding central defenders who get on the end of set pieces
Now we all want to be wowed by silky possession based football but it cannot be passed backwards, only in the oppositions half and score with every attack.
Plenty of sides still have success throughout the league with these prehistoric bread and butter tactics, and yes just to clarify their is a great deal of difference in attacking with purpose and lumped balls.
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the stats are he left them 1 pt above the relegation spots. pardew then got them rock bottom and releagted before moore gave them some pride at end of season.
a poor period for him sure but his c.v cannot be argued with
a success at stoke,west brom,palace and currently at middlesborough
Exactly - I wouldn't call it prehistoric though. That style of football definitely still has a place in the lower leagues, as long as it's done with purpose as you say.
Wallace/Fergie, Steve Hunt/Yorath.......Hutch on the wing........poetry in motion !It makes me laugh how long ball tactics is bemoaned so much and labelled prehistoric football.
Fans of a age of say 35+ grew up on football with effective strong target men and tricky quick wingers with no nonsense midfielders who could play, purposeful balls up to the big man who if your lucky could score if not the tricky fast fella next to him would bag the goals of his work. Commanding central defenders who get on the end of set pieces
Now we all want to be wowed by silky possession based football but it cannot be passed backwards, only in the oppositions half and score with every attack.
Plenty of sides still have success throughout the league with these prehistoric bread and butter tactics, and yes just to clarify their is a great deal of difference in attacking with purpose and lumped balls.
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have you never heard of clubs having a better 2nd half of season? no manager should be blamed for relegation if they leave before xmass and the club is not adriftWhat constitutes success?
That stats also show that over the course of the season he would have had less points than those teams relegated. You are using selective picking of your stats. The only reason Pulis never gets relegated is as he is never given the chance to Finish the job. He did well at Stoke. Had a few good months at Palace but quickly left. He undoubtedly destroyed West Brom. Left no long-term planning at any club however.
If my team was in a relegation battle would i bring him in yes. Would I have him longer term no. He doesn't move clubs forwards which is his problem, standing still is going backwards.
You say you want someone who is effective with the ball going forward, not necessarily pretty right? (or did i imagine that?) joint fifth lowest scoring team in the Championship?
I remember an article at the time which said, he prefers effective rather than pretty, but as soon as being effective stps working (liek West Brom) there is no good will because if he can't sort the defence he has no idea how to attack.
have you never heard of clubs having a better 2nd half of season? no manager should be blamed for relegation if they leave before xmass and the club is not adrift
stoke he got promoted then sustained premier league and made stoke a hard place to go to on a wet cold tuesday night
he took over palace in trouble and finished 11th. just ok? or success?!
west brom he had multiple mid table finishes,as cov fans we would build a manager a statue if they did that for us, but for westbrom he deystroyed them? lol
and i said long ball with intent. you do not make playoffs without intent. when it works it is fine. when it doesnt it is horrible. pulis nearly always is the former lets be honest
promotion is not a part of building a club?It wasn't just over one season? As i mentioned it was his last 21 leagues games he picked up 12 league points. So no again the stats do not support your argument. It's like saying Pardew would have kept them up if he had come in in August.
Stoke had begun to go backwards, hence he didn't have his contract renewed, as i pointed out he didn't lay any long-term foundations.
He took over a palace side who shouldn't have been anywhere near trouble, and as i said before, he never gets to finish a job because he has no long-term plans.
He had 2 mid table finishes and then took 12 points from 21 league games. I shouldn't really be surprised by your opinion on this when you praise Mowbray so much after just half a season of good football.
As i said, if you want to avoid relegation bring in Pulis, if you want to build a club, avoid him at all costs. Only have to look at his career, to see players become disheartened with his tactics, and running of the club.
2500 allocation was sold out by Monday lunchtime. They did request an extra 1K but at the moment this has been denied after police advice. Not sure what thats all about as Sunderland had more than that.Could be around 2800 Mad Hatters fans on Satdy then ?! If a few hundred buy on the gate. Anyone know how many we've sold ??
Kicked off outside the away end when they were at the Ricoh last year.2500 allocation was sold out by Monday lunchtime. They did request an extra 1K but at the moment this has been denied after police advice. Not sure what thats all about as Sunderland had more than that.
Kicked off outside the away end when they were at the Ricoh last year.
promotion is not a part of building a club?
what coventry want? promotion to prem? YES then what? sustain mid table finishes in prem? YES
does pulis fit the bill? YES
you dont have to like pulis. i respect that you wouldnt want him. but it is hoof ball that works more often than notAgree to disagree, not going to go round in circles.
you dont have to like pulis. i respect that you wouldnt want him. but it is hoof ball that works more often than not
as for saturday play it on grass robins lol
Or the last 5Then concede 8 in the remaining 75?
Yeah I remember those days, a centre forward who could head a ball, a winger who could beat his man and cross a ball, a midfielder who could tackle and pass a ball to one of his own players and score a goal, a centre half who would dominate the defence and a goalkeeper who could catch a ball .It makes me laugh how long ball tactics is bemoaned so much and labelled prehistoric football.
Fans of a age of say 35+ grew up on football with effective strong target men and tricky quick wingers with no nonsense midfielders who could play, purposeful balls up to the big man who if your lucky could score if not the tricky fast fella next to him would bag the goals of his work. Commanding central defenders who get on the end of set pieces
Now we all want to be wowed by silky possession based football but it cannot be passed backwards, only in the oppositions half and score with every attack.
Plenty of sides still have success throughout the league with these prehistoric bread and butter tactics, and yes just to clarify their is a great deal of difference in attacking with purpose and lumped balls.
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Yeah I remember those days, a centre forward who could head a ball, a winger who could beat his man and cross a ball, a midfielder who could tackle and pass a ball to one of his own players and score a goal, a centre half who would dominate the defence and a goalkeeper who could catch a ball .
Where did it all go wrong ?
People on here started making excuses for burge for oneYeah I remember those days, a centre forward who could head a ball, a winger who could beat his man and cross a ball, a midfielder who could tackle and pass a ball to one of his own players and score a goal, a centre half who would dominate the defence and a goalkeeper who could catch a ball .
Where did it all go wrong ?
My favourite answer to this is.....
Football is a simple game over complicated by tactics.
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Genuine question then: Why is it that none of the very best managers play in the way you are saying then?
the game has evolved and old school tactics wont cut it at the top(unforuntley we are in division 3 so it can work)
long ball will not win you a top leagur or euro competion imo. thats why as skybluegod says you dont see it utilised at top teams when you do it tends to fail(moyes man u)
that said a amalgamation can work like leicester showed, they countered with long balls tov ardy whilst utiling 1 winger who cut in and 1 winger who stayed wider. simple can still work, but i am not sure long ball can anymore.
also we are starting to see benefits of finnaly bringing british talent through as technical rather than hard working tacklers etc so i expect even more of a shift to beautiful football to come.
Would agree, except being CCFC, we rarely do the expected (also put in decent performances in the last few home games)Think we'll lose about 4-1.
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