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[chiefdave]

It showed a massive misunderstanding of local government

You say that but where other clubs have had a dispute with the local council it always seems to ends up resolved in the clubs favour. Can't think of another council that has treated a club the way ours has. And its not even as if it can be blamed on SISU as they were hostile to the club prior to SISU's arrival.

 

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[Flying Fokker]

I haven't misrepresented any have I? You will probably find it is you who tends to make things up that I haven't said or done.

I am not sure about breaking the lease, I think Wasps would have been here in some shape or form anyway and we would have still been playing second fiddle and silly rent anyway.

Why wasn't the lease extended to 250 years to make the mortgage lower and therefore the rent?

If SISU didn't do the Administration then it would have been controlled by ACL which is what they expected as they were already showing off the new owner, would the lease have been broken then too? It's OK, I am sure you will just post a conspiracy gif to deflect from that.

Maybe, but weren’t we the only show in town according to Fisher in front of the fans forums. Or maybe the only reason Wasps came is because we left. We would have been the prime tenant. Distressing as that was at the time Maybe there was stuff going on in the background but Fisher didn’t think so...

 

[Nick]

Maybe, but weren’t we the only show in town according to Fisher in front of the fans forums. Or maybe the only reason Wasps came is because we left. We would have been the prime tenant. Distressing as that was at the time Maybe there was stuff going on in the background but Fisher didn’t think so...

Wasps were involved before we left?

Christ, their owner was touting a move before he even bought them.

 

[RegTheDonk]

It was organised by the Sky Blue Trust as a day of action against all parties. Was probably 20-30 people.

First 'protest' was at the council house where they met Duggins, council leader, who wished them well with their protest against SISU.

Then onto the Ricoh where someone from Wasps came out to speak to them and when he finished they gave him a round of applause.

Then off to London to an office it seems SISU aren't actually located at where they had Johnson is his sleeping bag being 'homeless' and shouted at a building nobody from SISU was in. During the time they were in London they fucked up and accidentally posted as the trust on one of the twitter accounts that dishes out abuse to our supporters who we have been repeatedly told the trust have nothing to do with.

Which one was that Dave?

Wonder how Neil White got on with his meeting with the FL? Hope he performs better in person than on social media given today’s performance

Probably won't hear the outcome G, he doesn't seem to be able to pass on his ideas to us minions. Isn't he a mate of Linells? Like your idea of bombarding the phone in - maybe Stewart will encourage him to start taking the fans wishes seriously.

 

[Grendel]

There's every chance, you're very confrontational, belligerent, and defeatist sometimes.

Actually, there is no chance because nobody'll do it, they'd rather snipe.

They have a pre conceived idea of bringing their old chums to run this club or create a Phoenix one - any other views will be ignored.

 

[Nick]

Probably won't hear the outcome G, he doesn't seem to be able to pass on his ideas to us minions. Isn't he a mate of Linells? Like your idea of bombarding the phone in - maybe Stewart will encourage him to start taking the fans wishes seriously.

Neil who is apparently a PR expert seems to make himself look silly at every opportunity.

He is a PR own goal.

 

[shmmeee]

You say that but where other clubs have had a dispute with the local council it always seems to ends up resolved in the clubs favour. Can't think of another council that has treated a club the way ours has. And its not even as if it can be blamed on SISU as they were hostile to the club prior to SISU's arrival.

Did other clubs try to buy the stadium on the cheap through legal threats? Because that’s the bit that anyone with half an ounce of knowledge of local government would’ve told them was a non starter.

But sure. Let’s talk about other clubs and how the council were hostile years ago before Sisu. Because that’s relevant to the discussion and not more deflection.

Look, I know you and Nick are too far gone now. You’re all in on this. But I just call it how I see it. Sorry if you’re “arguments” haven’t been particularly effective. It’s not personal, I just don’t agree with your analysis and don’t buy into the “X hates Y” playground analysis that’s popular on here.

I await more playground insults, because they’re always the sign of a strong argument. Perhaps I have an “agenda”, that ones always a laugh. Maybe bring up elderly family, always popular with some on here.

I’ve been doing this years waiting for anyone on your side of the argument to put anything like a coherent case across that didn’t boil down to some obscure conspiracy theory or hypothetical. It’s not my fault you can’t.

 

[Nick]

Did other clubs try to buy the stadium on the cheap through legal threats? Because that’s the bit that anyone with half an ounce of knowledge of local government would’ve told them was a non starter.

But sure. Let’s talk about other clubs and how the council were hostile years ago before Sisu. Because that’s relevant to the discussion and not more deflection.

Look, I know you and Nick are too far gone now. You’re all in on this. But I just call it how I see it. Sorry if you’re “arguments” haven’t been particularly effective. It’s not personal, I just don’t agree with your analysis and don’t buy into the “X hates Y” playground analysis that’s popular on here.

It is relevant to the discussion, isn't it?

The irony is that you are trying to tell others they are too far gone.

 

[shmmeee]

It is relevant to the discussion, isn't it?

The irony is that you are trying to tell others they are too far gone.

The discussion is literally about whether the rent strike was a good strategy that had a chance of success. You’ve refused to answer and gone off about Haskell and Daves on about other councils.

Round and round we go.

Fucking hell mate. We’ve had multiple judges look at something that you, Dave, FP and Grendel were saying would definitely show the council did something wrong. Then you moved onto this stuff about Haskell and the Trust and getting hung up on whether people clapped someone or said something on Twitter.

I’ve been solid in my position and yet to be proved wrong. I’m not going to be bullied into believing something I see no evidence for just because it’s now the popular thing on here.

When the EU case comes back against Sisu will you finally admit you backed the wrong horse for however many years and have been ranting about bots and conspiracies for literally no reason? Will you bollocks, you’ll find some other tenuous thing to latch onto and save face.

 

[Nick]

The discussion is literally about whether the rent strike was a good strategy that had a chance of success. You’ve refused to answer and gone off about Haskell and Daves on about other councils.

Round and round we go.

The council were in on the rent strike weren't they?

I also asked about the lease being broken when ACL would have put the club into admin...

I did answer my thoughts on the lease being broken and other ways around it. (increasing lease length etc)

 

[shmmeee]

The council were in on the rent strike weren't they?

I also asked about the lease being broken when ACL would have put the club into admin...

I did answer my thoughts on the lease being broken and other ways around it. (increasing lease length etc)

Sorry breaking the lease. Not rent strike. Am running on two hours sleep.

 

[shmmeee]

I haven't misrepresented any have I? You will probably find it is you who tends to make things up that I haven't said or done.

I am not sure about breaking the lease, I think Wasps would have been here in some shape or form anyway and we would have still been playing second fiddle and silly rent anyway.

Why wasn't the lease extended to 250 years to make the mortgage lower and therefore the rent?

If SISU didn't do the Administration then it would have been controlled by ACL which is what they expected as they were already showing off the new owner, would the lease have been broken then too? It's OK, I am sure you will just post a conspiracy gif to deflect from that.

Right there. “I am not sure”.

You know your posts stay up right?

Answer the question. Yes or no: was breaking the lease and moving us to Northampton in an attempt to get the Ricoh cheap the right move?

 

[Nick]

Sorry breaking the lease. Not rent strike. Am running on two hours sleep.

Again..

Would the lease have been broken if ACL's Preferred Option would have happened? Who was pushing this approach, out of interest?

 

[shmmeee]

Again..

Would the lease have been broken if ACL's Preferred Option would have happened? Who was pushing this approach, out of interest?

If and buts. Answer the question.

 

[Nick]

The discussion is literally about whether the rent strike was a good strategy that had a chance of success. You’ve refused to answer and gone off about Haskell and Daves on about other councils.

Round and round we go.

Fucking hell mate. We’ve had multiple judges look at something that you, Dave, FP and Grendel were saying would definitely show the council did something wrong. Then you moved onto this stuff about Haskell and the Trust and getting hung up on whether people clapped someone or said something on Twitter.

I’ve been solid in my position and yet to be proved wrong. I’m not going to be bullied into believing something I see no evidence for just because it’s now the popular thing on here.

When the EU case comes back against Sisu will you finally admit you backed the wrong horse for however many years and have been ranting about bots and conspiracies for literally no reason? Will you bollocks, you’ll find some other tenuous thing to latch onto and save face.

What bots and conspiracies? Can you point out where I have mentioned a bot of any sort?

By conspiracies do you mean the things that have actually happened and are there on record?

You seem to strangely block particular things out that have actually happened and still label them as conspiracies.

 

[shmmeee]

What bots and conspiracies? Can you point out where I have mentioned a bot of any sort?

By conspiracies do you mean the things that have actually happened and are there on record?

“Isn’t it funny how certain accounts blah blah blah”

Literally every time. Don’t address the points, just cast aspersions.

 

[Nick]

“Isn’t it funny how certain accounts blah blah blah”

Literally every time.

Erm, you do realise there have actually been dodgy accounts don't you? Why is it that fella from the council got fucked off from the Trust months after it was pointed out?

Can you point out where I have said anything about a bot?

 

[shmmeee]

Erm, you do realise there have actually been dodgy accounts don't you?

Can you point out where I have said anything about a bot?

Bot/sock puppet/AstroTurf call it what you want.

Still unable to answer a yes or no question. Still deflecting.

I’ll ask again: if yet another court says there’s no case to be had to add to the highest court until the land, will you finally admit you’ve been wrong or will you find something else to latch onto?

 

[Grendel]

Why is anyone bothering to feed this council troll - he’d have been booted off most forums now

 

[Nick]

Bot/sock puppet/AstroTurf call it what you want.

Still unable to answer a yes or no question. Still deflecting.

Where's your answer about ACL breaking the lease? Strange how you won't answer that.

You do realise there have been accounts solely to push agendas, don't you? It's fact, it's not a conspiracy or said without reason.

 

[shmmeee]

Where's your answer about ACL breaking the lease? Strange how you won't answer that.

You do realise there have been accounts solely to push agendas, don't you?

Yes. You’re one of them! When did ACL break the lease?

Channelling Paxman now:

Yes or No, was breaking the lease the right strategic decision?

 

[Nick]

Yes. You’re one of them!

Channelling Paxman now:

Yes or No, was breaking the lease the right strategic decision?

Really? Hardly solely to push an agenda is it else I wouldn't be bothered about the football? Will save that for your dad's blog, photoshops and lists of quotes and his mates. Again, why was the bloke fucked off from the Trust again? CJ confirmed it on here, feel free to go and look it up.

At the time it was, without the hindsight option. Looking back it should have been pushed to extend it.

Again, wouldn't it have been broken anyway by ACL forcing the admin? Yes or No?

Was it right for ACL to try and force a takeover backed by individuals from the Trust and council which would have broken the lease anyway?

 

[Grendel]

Really? Hardly solely to push an agenda is it else I wouldn't be bothered about the football? Will save that for your dad's blog, photoshops and lists of quotes and his mates. Again, why was the bloke fucked off from the Trust again? CJ confirmed it on here, feel free to go and look it up.

At the time it was, without the hindsight option. Looking back it should have been pushed to extend it.

Again, wouldn't it have been broken anyway by ACL forcing the admin? Yes or No?

Was it right for ACL to try and force a takeover backed by individuals from the Trust and council which would have broken the lease anyway?

I wonder why Fletcher Jnr won’t answer the question

Trust Chairman's Right To Reply - Coventry MAD

 

[mmttww]

“Isn’t it funny how certain accounts blah blah blah”

Literally every time. Don’t address the points, just cast aspersions.

You're wasting your breath. Total conspiracy theory nutters. Same as the clowns who blame immigration for a country's problems - blame the 'other' and ignore the massive failings of those at the helm while swallowing whatever they tell them. Truly depressing stuff.

 

[Nick]

You're wasting your breath. Total conspiracy theory nutters. Same as the clowns who blame immigration for a country's problems - blame the 'other' and ignore the massive failings of those at the helm while swallowing whatever they tell them. Truly depressing stuff.

Welcome back.

It isn't a conspiracy theory about strange accounts pushing agendas, it's fact.

It's interesting those who keep shouting conspiracy over and over though when it's pointed out.

 

[Grendel]

You're wasting your breath. Total conspiracy theory nutters. Same as the clowns who blame immigration for a country's problems - blame the 'other' and ignore the massive failings of those at the helm while swallowing whatever they tell them. Truly depressing stuff.

Congratulations - 50 posts in 5 years - wonder what attracted you to this thread?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[mmttww]

Two minutes for you both to respond. I've never felt so valued. Thanks!

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Come on guys! @Nick @shmmeee!

i said this earlier - nobody is going to agree on the blame! The council have washed their hands of it, and quite frankly don’t give a shit (at least until the EC have decided what they’re doing)

we need to focus on the indemnity clause with Wasps. Grendel is right we need to get on CWR and ask about it.

Has anyone got a trust email? We’ve got to get into contact with the relevant parties in the media/trust and engage them - constantly!

 

[Nick]

Come on guys! @Nick @shmmeee!

i said this earlier - nobody is going to agree on the blame! The council have washed their hands of it, and quite frankly don’t give a shit (at least until the EC have decided what they’re doing)

we need to focus on the indemnity clause with Wasps. Grendel is right we need to get on CWR and ask about it.

Has anyone got a trust email? We’ve got to get into contact with the relevant parties in the media/trust and engage them - constantly!

I totally agree, then you ask why won't the Trust or CWR say anything to them and around we go...

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I totally agree, then you ask why won't the Trust or CWR say anything to them and around we go...

So we take away the blame argument. We discuss the now what are the facts.

- Wasps own the Ricoh lease
- we want to return
- only thing stopping a return - the indemnity
- Don’t get into arguments. Just make the point, week in week out. We say drop the clause.
Don’t ask why people won’t challenge it - just keep publically asking the question. Eventually it’ll be out there

 

[Nick]

So we take away the blame argument. We discuss the now what are the facts.

- Wasps own the Ricoh lease
- we want to return
- only thing stopping a return - the indemnity
- Don’t get into arguments. Just make the point, week in week out. We say drop the clause.
Don’t ask why people won’t challenge it - just keep publically asking the question. Eventually it’ll be out there

I agree with all of that. I have also asked Neil from the Trust what Wasps said when he asked them about the indemnity when the Trust met with them and no reply at all.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I agree with all of that. I have also asked Neil from the Trust what Wasps said when he asked them about the indemnity when the Trust met with them and no reply at all.

That’s fine. Got to get myself a twitter soon, I’ll ask the question. I’ll keep doing it.

If I get chance I’ll be ringing CWR “we need to get wasps to drop the indemnity clause”

then let Clive defend it, not argue. Just every week saying the same thing. Eventually he’ll sound stupid

 

[AOM]

Is there a wasps phone in? Maybe one day we can hijack that

The "Rugby show" is every Wednesday I believe...

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Ask Clive what he wants the owners to do to bring us home.

make them discuss the clause