Cyrus (3 Viewers)

[Hobo]

No he certainly would not have been free but would have had a substantial signing on fee. The profit on Dann and Fox was very small and the profit on Juke was under a million.

A sense of depreciating returns

 

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[lewys33]

Or maybe, as we all would be, knowing that you are unlikely to get anywhere near the England team, looking for the cash.

No matter who he signs for, I don't think he'd ever get near the England B team let alone the actual England team!

I wasn't saying he will get in to the England team. However he is young, and having the attitude of "I won't get in so why bother" as a professional is appalling IMO.

Where the fuck do you get that idea from, do you know him ? have you spoken to him ? I do and have and there is not more honest level headed young man at the club. Would love to stay and carry on representing HIS club but is being driven away by others at the club for money and have had them on his case for over 12 months as they desperately try to get funds in but he has resisted and will go where he wants to go to. Will be one of the last of that breed too as the guy who nurtured them Gregor Rioch was driven out too but that's another story.

Hold your horses there cowboy! I didn't realise we had his best friend here. Apologies! I was just giving my opinion, and considering how he has played this season, he hasn't been "in it" at all. Which 9/10 means they are waiting for the next opportunity.

 

[No future with SISU]

In the Coventry Telegraph SP haveing a go at Christy agent, is he Wilsons agent?

 

[Sky Blues]

The average attendance in the MLS is 18.6k, league one is 7.6k, I'd be surprised if the quality of football isn't higher than the top end of league one. USA are a decent team now, ranked 14 in the world. I'm not sure if the definition of "bigger league" but if I were deciding which was a a bigger league the MLS would be below the championship but above league one.

I'd compare MLS to a cake. The sponge is probably about League 1 standard, the icing Championship standard and there's a sprinkling of (aging) top-tier quality for decoration.

 

[torchomatic]

Have to agree with SP on this. CC will be a fool if he goes to the MLS. It's Las Vegas for aging stars not a place for young players. He was offered a contract and his greedy agent advised him not to sign. Grass isn't always greener, Cyrus.

 

[Noggin]

Have to agree with SP on this. CC will be a fool if he goes to the MLS. It's Las Vegas for aging stars not a place for young players. He was offered a contract and his greedy agent advised him not to sign. Grass isn't always greener, Cyrus.

Our Grass is a dieing, brown, patchy, lumpy, holey mess with poisonous weeds growing all through it, the grass is greener everywhere else.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

To me it sounds like the club offered a deal and said we will not stand in your way if a club in a higher league comes in for you so you may as well sign it and recieve all the benefits that go along with it. Meaning we are all happy. However he didn't and I think its fair to say his performances did suffer....

 

[covcity4life]

they should all be like scholes and not have agents.

 

[ccfcway]

Pressley this morning...

“We’re the type of club who like to develop our young players and give them an opportunity. And, ultimately, like at any football club players do want to move on and we’ve got no problem with that if it’s at the right time, and the player feels it’s right.

“But the one thing I do feel is that we’re happy for that to happen as long as the club are rewarded with the correct compensation. But if his agency decide to take him down that path it would affect the possible compensation amount and I would be hugely disappointed with them because they are not acting in the best interests of football, and they are not working with the football club.

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Surely the agent works for Cyrus, not CCFC. Career wise, who knows, Defoe still has sevral prem years in him, but made the move.

Financially and for the lifestyle, it would be a no brainer for Cryus to go to America.

 

[Ian1779]

Pressley this morning...

“We’re the type of club who like to develop our young players and give them an opportunity. And, ultimately, like at any football club players do want to move on and we’ve got no problem with that if it’s at the right time, and the player feels it’s right.

“But the one thing I do feel is that we’re happy for that to happen as long as the club are rewarded with the correct compensation. But if his agency decide to take him down that path it would affect the possible compensation amount and I would be hugely disappointed with them because they are not acting in the best interests of football, and they are not working with the football club.

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Surely the agent works for Cyrus, not CCFC. Career wise, who knows, Defoe still has sevral prem years in him, but made the move.

Financially and for the lifestyle, it would be a no brainer for Cryus to go to America.

If Cyrus ever has designs on playing top level football then the MLS is the last place he should go.

 

[Grendel]

To me it sounds like the club offered a deal and said we will not stand in your way if a club in a higher league comes in for you so you may as well sign it and recieve all the benefits that go along with it. Meaning we are all happy. However he didn't and I think its fair to say his performances did suffer....

It seems no club has actually offered him a deal. Not surprised - he will probably get a bottom 6 championship club at best - he is not that great. His agent is clearly a fool.

 

[ccfcway]

If Cyrus ever has designs on playing top level football then the MLS is the last place he should go.

maybe he doesnt, maybe he wants the lifestyle and the money ?

 

[ccfcway]

It seems no club has actually offered him a deal. Not surprised - he will probably get a bottom 6 championship club at best - he is not that great. His agent is clearly a fool.

so, Barnsley or New York on more money

Difficult one !

 

[Ian1779]

maybe he doesnt, maybe he wants the lifestyle and the money ?

If he does - just epitomises everything wrong with modern day football.

 

[dongonzalos]

TF couldn't speak highly enough about him. Saying he has been totally professional in the way he has gone about things.

 

[dongonzalos]

Unfortunately if I was offered significantly more to do the same job on a bigger stage (whilst we are at Northampton in division 3 that's our stage size) I and I am guessing most of everyone else would do it.

 

[Kingokings204]

Maybe he could turn around and sign a 2 year deal with us and turn the tables?

I think most fans including myself would like this to happen? Good league 1 player for sure.

 

[torchomatic]

Yep, it's an end of career type of place.

If Cyrus ever has designs on playing top level football then the MLS is the last place he should go.

 

[Ian1779]

Maybe he could turn around and sign a 2 year deal with us and turn the tables?

I think most fans including myself would like this to happen? Good league 1 player for sure.

Think he needs to decide if he's a defender or a midfielder. Seems to fall a bit in the middle. Personally I think if he worked on his end product he'd make a damn good wide midfielder.

 

[Noggin]

It seems no club has actually offered him a deal. Not surprised - he will probably get a bottom 6 championship club at best - he is not that great. His agent is clearly a fool.

This is the reason Wilson would be foolish to stay imo. The agent hasn't been foolish he wanted to leave, he had a very short period left on his contract, people were interested and we didn't sell, accepting a contract just means a significant drop in money for both the agent and his client. Doing nothing was in the vast majority of situations was the right plan but the clubs form and Cyrus's form dropped off massively during that time and now there is understandably less interest. If he had the chance to leave in Jan and it wasn't the club not selling but he thought it better to wait 6 months so he'd get more money then yes that was a foolish gamble thats been bad for everyone.

This is why the smart thing to do if you are Wilson is to leave if a decent club comes calling, our form is likely to be very poor next year, it's harder to perform well as a striker in a poorly performing team. Wilson could easily lose his value and the interest other teams will have in him if we are languishing at the bottom of the table.

seems to me though SP's ranting about the MLS has nothing to do with him thinking its bad for Cyrus and everything to do with it being worse for ccfc if he goes there. CCFC have NO! right to expect loyalty from the players, no right to expect players to go anywhere other than where they think is best for them.

 

[Grendel]

so, Barnsley or New York on more money

Difficult one !

I doubt it will be that much money. Most are not well paid. Its a desperate last attempt by his agent to find him a club.

 

[Nick]

Scraping the barrel a bit aren't they?

 

[ccfcway]

I doubt it will be that much money. Most are not well paid. Its a desperate last attempt by his agent to find him a club.

why is it desperate and last attempt ?

surely the last attempt would be to re-sign with us ?

 

[ccfcway]

I doubt it will be that much money. Most are not well paid. Its a desperate last attempt by his agent to find him a club.

Bradley Wright Philips is on $330k a year at New York and Tim Cahill is on $3.5k million.

Massive gap between players.


Top Earners

Jermain Defoe is on $6 million a year
Clint Dempsey - $5 million
Robbie Keane - $4.5 million
Landon Donovan - $4.25 million
Tierry Henry - $3.75 million
Tim Cahill - $3.5 million

 

[Grendel]

Scraping the barrel a bit aren't they?

The average salary is less than £20,000 a season.

 

[Grendel]

Bradley Wright Philips is on $330k a year at New York and Tim Cahill is on $3.5k million.

I repeat the average salary is $30,000 a year. The only exceptions are occasional named players. No one would have heard of him or the club he came from. He'd earn far more at a championship club here. His career would effectively be finished.

 

[ccfcway]

The average salary is less than £20,000 a season.

The average MLS salary for 2014 is $207,831 — up from last fall’s average of $165,066.

83% of players get less than the average !

Didnt they have a salary cap ?

 

[Grendel]

Bradley Wright Philips is on $330k a year at New York and Tim Cahill is on $3.5k million.

Massive gap between players.


Top Earners

Jermain Defoe is on $6 million a year
Clint Dempsey - $5 million
Robbie Keane - $4.5 million
Landon Donovan - $4.25 million
Tierry Henry - $3.75 million
Tim Cahill - $3.5 million

The salary I looked at was including both divisions.

However although the average is the top league is quoted at $138,000 a season (still not great) this is massively distorted by some high earners who take a huge percentage of total salary budgets.

25% of players earned $40,000 last year.

 

[ccfcway]

The salary I looked at was including both divisions.

about as close as we are ever going to get to a Grendal apology

 

[ccfcway]

The salary I looked at was including both divisions.

However although the average is the top league is quoted at $138,000 a season (still not great) this is massively distorted by some high earners who take a huge percentage of total salary budgets.

25% of players earned $40,000 last year.

i repeat The average MLS salary for 2014 is $207,831 — up from last fall’s average of $165,066.

 

[Grendel]

about as close as we are ever going to get to a Grendal apology

The point is the majority are low earners - why you are attempting to claim this is good for him is beyond me.

Face it if Barnsley were interested he'd sign for them.

He probably wil get a club eventually but looking at other players - most notably Clingan - the move doesn't always work for the best.

 

[torchomatic]

Can't see why we're going on about it. He (or his agent) wants him to leave. Let him leave. It's happened countless times over the last three decades or so.

 

[torchomatic]

There's this thing where the club has to be slagged off. Whether that's because of the stock taking or players wanting to leave. There used to be a time when a supporter would stick up for his club but those days are long gone. There seems to be a lot of virtual high-fives every time a player leaves or some bad news for the club comes out.

The point is the majority are low earners - why you are attempting to claim this is good for him is beyond me.

Face it if Barnsley were interested he'd sign for them.

He probably wil get a club eventually but looking at other players - most notably Clingan - the move doesn't always work for the best.

 

[shy_tall_knight]

There's this thing where the club has to be slagged off. Whether that's because of the stock taking or players wanting to leave. There used to be a time when a supporter would stick up for his club but those days are long gone. There seems to be a lot of virtual high-fives every time a player leaves or some bad news for the club comes out.

Fans believe SISU are bad for the club, doesn't take a genius lowest league position, lowest crowds, Cyrus running rings around the club although unfortunate just proves most fan's theory that they haven't got a clue how to manage a club.

An agent advises a player a player makes the ultimate decision. I doubt he will go to the MLS but he will leave Cov as will Callum Wilson, hard to shine in a team with the types of players we saw in the second half of the season.

 

[torchomatic]

Fans are right, they are. However SISU aren't the Club.

And as I said, players have always left and they always will. It happened before SISU and it will happen after they've gone.

Fans believe SISU are bad for the club, doesn't take a genius lowest league position, lowest crowds, Cyrus running rings around the club although unfortunate just proves most fan's theory that they haven't got a clue how to manage a club.

An agent advises a player a player makes the ultimate decision. I doubt he will go to the MLS but he will leave Cov as will Callum Wilson, hard to shine in a team with the types of players we saw in the second half of the season.