chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Its worrying in so far as even the independent experts rolled out by CWR and CT have said to compete at a higher level that we are currently at we need our own ground and we're relying on him to make it happen.
He's also the man working on the Tim Pot stadium.
Worrying isn't it ?
Doesn't mean there wasn't either
http://www.therugbyblog.com/was-richardsons-wasps-takeover-just-a-step-on-the-road-to-the-ricoh
He's also the man working on the Tim Pot stadium.
Worrying isn't it ?
They've painted the media area black, looks absolutely ridiculous. The bowl of the stadium is Sky Blue apart from one section!
Suppose some will say not a big deal but its just another small step towards the whole ground being yellow and black.
Defensive? Asking questions of clarification?
If you think it's funny your really need to get out more.
Exposed? You're really like a modern day Roger Cook!!
A lot of people wont have a clue who Roger Cook is.
Its worrying in so far as even the independent experts rolled out by CWR and CT have said to compete at a higher level that we are currently at we need our own ground and we're relying on him to make it happen.
Didn't ccfc put money into the bid too? The rent we have paid is more than wasps paid to buy the lot. I'd say that's investingAre they not currently having a cut of the profits on the day?
They get this without even investing in the infrastructure that provides it.
They should be working on the next deal. Hopefully they are.
In a new stadium you would need to finance and provide the facilities.
Is it better ? I don't know, but this is the sort of information we need to get from Sisu.
Didn't ccfc put money into the bid too? The rent we have paid is more than wasps paid to buy the lot. I'd say that's investing
No it's rent and included a lot of add ons.
Interested to know how much effectively we were paying for the Megastore, the offices in Holbrooks etc etc that were all in one place at the Ricoh and were included in the rent. There are loads more add ons which we now have to purchase up front.
All okay in the Championship but not affordable where we are now. I think TF has said that in a way.
ACL went very close to going bust.
But the timing was wrong and if the Wasps deal had not happened ACL would have gone bust.
IMO
No no no... I'm not having that. AL was quite insistent all along that ACL was going from strength to strength, in fact they didn't even need the football club.
Propaganda at its finest... And you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
They would have done (or should have done) but frankly they didn't care as stadium ownership wasn't part of the Ranson plan that was sold to SISU as a great investment. His idea was small investment in the team, in relative terms, get promotion and cash in. In fact the reason we ended up with SISU was that the other interested parties at the time all identified that stadium ownership was essential and that the council wouldn't sell to the club causing them to drop interest.
We then moved on to SISU phase 2 with that idiot Orange Ken. I suppose you can see how we ended up with him. Ranson went, apparently when he finally left it wasn't the first time he'd tried to get out, and Ken could well have been the only other football person (in loose terms) that SISU knew thanks to their dealings with him at Southampton. Suspect the plan for him was get the club to breakeven while staying in the Championship so SISU could sell us as a decent prospect and recoup some of their money. Failed miserably of course and that's when SISU got directly involved.
It was only when Fisher came in that stadium ownership seemed to be seriously looked at. He identified early on that the rent was way too high and unsustainable and that ACL was underperforming and reliant on the football club. Of course he was ridiculed for saying so but turned out he was right.
So basically by the time the stadium and rent was properly looked at we were many years down the line with SISU, playing in L1 and a mess. Didn't Joy pretty much say as much in her Telegraph interview?
No it's rent and included a lot of add ons.
Interested to know how much effectively we were paying for the Megastore, the offices in Holbrooks etc etc that were all in one place at the Ricoh and were included in the rent.
So anyway. About this December deadline. Do we think SISU will get a proposal into RBC in time to be considered?
Perhaps their actually will be a big announcement in the new year. This new year.
To be fair to Mr Fisher he didn't say which new year.
What city would want a thriving stadium making a different city's rugby team all the money?Most of that rings true for me. It’s a sorry tale of incompetence whichever way you look at it.
Personally, I never did ridicule Fisher’s claims that ACL needed CCFC. I always felt the Council were bending the truth as a defence against the distressing that was going on. It’s only natural that a sports stadium needs the income from a sports club – and TWO clubs makes it more viable still, which is why I still hope (maybe naively) that Wasps and CCFC can work well in tandem. What city would want two struggling stadiums when it could have one thriving one?
So ccfc spent no money in the development?
So anyway. About this December deadline. Do we think SISU will get a proposal into RBC in time to be considered?
Didn't wasps and QPR have the same owner when they shared a stadium?
Yes, Chris Wright was his name. He said Wasps should have never left Loftus Road and he would never have take then club to Coventry.
Wycombe and Wasps also had the same owner for a while also.
Had a wasps history lesson today on the net. The present owners have only been around two years I believe?
So anyway. About this December deadline. Do we think SISU will get a proposal into RBC in time to be considered?
Perhaps their actually will be a big announcement in the new year. This new year.
To be fair to Mr Fisher he didn't say which new year.
Blimey, this relates to the original post! I’ll bet ccfc92 has had some good laughs in the last week, having merely said “Thoughts?”.
If the intention to build a stadium is real, anything resembling an actual commitment is quite transparently being delayed ad nauseam, as long as there remains a chance of getting a result regarding the Ricoh in the courts. The occasional statements that plans will be revealed “soon” are an insult to people’s intelligence.
I believe the December deadline relates to allocations for land use in Rugby’s Local Plan, which is less specific than an actual planning application. So SISU could go that far without really committing to much – although the location(s) would then be in the public domain. I guess it will have to be on the fringes of Coventry, and the least controversial area would be in the vicinity of the airport. But it’s not a prospect that gets me excited, and it could take a mighty long time because the Local Plan itself won’t be adopted until around next summer and is only the first step.
What city would want a thriving stadium making a different city's rugby team all the money?
Yeah. I was thinking the same myself. It's going to cost SISU very little to get the development included in the local plan so why couldn't they meet the September deadline? I come up with two possibilities. The first as you said because the location(s) would be in the public domain but I also wondered if it was to be included or considered for inclusion would SISU need some sort of claim on the proposed land? A formal agreement between the current landowner and themselves as a potential owner?
I believe the December deadline relates to allocations for land use in Rugby’s Local Plan, which is less specific than an actual planning application. So SISU could go that far without really committing to much – although the location(s) would then be in the public domain. I guess it will have to be on the fringes of Coventry, and the least controversial area would be in the vicinity of the airport. But it’s not a prospect that gets me excited, and it could take a mighty long time because the Local Plan itself won’t be adopted until around next summer and is only the first step.
What city would want a thriving stadium making a different city's rugby team all the money?
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