To suggest that an entire council would agree on something without considering the economic and financial impacts and purely on the fact they don't like SISU is naive to say the least.
Rob S was extremely vocal about how bringing CCFC back to Coventry would benefit the local economy, he quoted some huge sum as if he had done serious research (but I don't think he ever backed up the claim). He has been silent about Wasps, but I presume their presence will have a similar positive effect on the local economy.
Michael I don't think there are any city fans that think it is a good deal other those that think it may lead to SISU leaving but now that we are cash neutral they will hang on even if there is another relegation. The silence from Fisher & Waggot is deafening, can't provide reassurances to fans because they haven't got any. Mamimising revenue, owning our own ground are valid aspirations but not a divine right, SISU haven't got the finances or the imagination to do either.
The reason for the OP was in part that it's not just the "odd person" as recent threads on here demonstrate.
If CCFC leave the effect will be neutral.
I think the council's multi million pound deficit combined with a failing stadium was weighing on their minds. They needed a quick buck and took it. Even pulled a fast one over the club by talking about ownership after the deal was arranged for us to return.
What would it be if wasps were not there?
The football club is and always have stated they moving out of Coventry.
They were asked repeatedly to put in a sensible bid for ACL and said freehold or nothing.
They came back and said we are off in 4 years.
For biggest negative Ricoh with no team we have already had that for a year it affects the economy. SISU proved they are willing to do it.
Next best option CCFC at the Ricoh they refused to bid it was freehold or nothing.
Next best option (council eyes) not CCFC fans eyes Wasps at Ricoh to soften blow if SISU do as promised.
Perfect scenario SISU are bluffing you get wasps and CCFC at Ricoh.
As a councillor and not a CCFC do actually have any choice?
You think they tricked the club into coming back then sewed up the deal behind their back?
I think they made repeated please to the club to drop the JR and make a sensible bid for ACL.
I think the club were happy to sit in Northampton till they hoped ACL died.
I think they git wind that wasps were serious and panicked and came back and got signed up. To the best deal they could with a council desperate for them to come back. Incase wasps took over and said you are not welcome back or gave them less favourable terms.
At the moment CCFC and Wasps' attendances aren't that far apart so just one of them being there would be anticipated to have a similar effect. Clearly both being there and successful works better for the area and the city as a whole. It also works out better for ACL/Wasps if both clubs are there, not so sure about CCFC.
I think your first sentence is exactly what happened. If SISU were offered the entirety of ACL for what, £5.5m, they'd have had to show enormous stupidity even by their own standards not to take it. Even the Higgs noted SISU's past dealings with them as an influence in rejecting their offer.
My point is you said if CCFC goes it balances out. I agree however if wasps never came and CCFC did as promised. Then the effect would be negative not neutral so the council could not risk it.
It is about a £20 million pound deal I believe
Of course they had a choice - we all know that as long as the option to buy the Ricoh was there CCFC were going nowhere. The council could have sat on their profit-making management company for a few years until bridges were rebuilt and/or ownership of the club had changed.
Why they did was sell up on the cheap citing 'economic benefits' as the justification which is all based on a fallacy.
What it has done is effectively close the door on the prospect of promotion above Championship level (and even promotion to the 2nd tier seems unlikely in the short term). Having a lower league football team does little for a city in terms of global recognition - but reach the PL and that changes (as other council's are always eager to point out). Our council have turned their back on that and to say they had no choice is a nonsense.
Paying £6m and taking on a £14m liability is not the same as paying £20m.
They turn down wasps. SISU move out.
I assume you would then say fairplay to you tried. You were right to ignore SISU's repeated promises to move on. The stadium now sits empty and the money and jobs generated by wasps was missed out on.
Most sensible people would say you made a very very bad decision as a councillor.
You as a Cov fan are looking at it with your Cov glasses glued on
My OP was prompted by posters on here making the points to which reference is made in the OP and it is their evidence I'm interested in not responses taken straight from the Nick's handbook!
Or you offer it to a club actually based in the city rather than helping to import one from elsewhere.
If CCFC leave the effect will be neutral.
It's the same as a £20 million pound deal
The Ricoh would be too big for Cov Rugby though.
Not for CCFC who would have snapped their hands off for the whole lot at £6m.
The football club would be a bigger loss to the city than Wasps wouldnt it?
Not for CCFC who would have snapped their hands off for the whole lot at £6m.
For 250 years as well don't forget.
They weren't based in the city at the time.
Why didn't CCFC make an offer it the last 7 years?
The sixfields campaign succeeded and different pressure could now be applied to sisu but some people get upset at the idea of a sisu out chant.
No factual information, just logic. Wasps moving to Coventry is a risk and they know if. For now they don't want to upset future potential supporters anymore than is necessary. Than is good for the club as Wasps wont make any decisions that adversely affect the club without really considering it.
What wider benefit? In many ways the football club IS the city of coventry - it is pretty much the only vehicle through which we can display pride in our home city en masse. It matters to people, it is the only thing capable of bringing the people of the city together. 250K greeted the team home in 87. How many would greet a Wasps team 'home' after a similar victory? Well, none, because nobody would care and I suspect the open top bus would stay in the depot. You can't manufacturer that sort of thing, you cannot make people give a shit. The economic benefits of having Wasps here are grossly overstated, and the benefits of a successful Rugby team pales into insignificance when compared to the economic boost and recognition that comes from having a Premier League football team.
We may be getting historically low gates, but the wider city stills cares about CCFC, and will continue to do so. The fact that our city council have willingly forced through an unnecessary sale to Wasps, driven largely by spite, to the undoubted detriment of CCFC (this city's biggest civic asset) remains a travesty.
Or you offer it to a club actually based in the city rather than helping to import one from elsewhere.
What like asking for facts? Yeah, about as delusional as your rent offer.
I was agreeing with some of your points but maybe Dongo is right, you should actually back some of these random statements up with facts rather than just coming back with "What do you think about the points".
The football club in its present state would be no greater a loss than Wasps I think. However CCFC in the top flight would bring in far more than Wasps are likely to-and CCFC owning all of ACL would have been a lot more likely to get there than without it.
It is if you want to spin it to sound good isn't it?
Would you bet a grand that once you turned down wasps and offered the same deal to SISU. After past experiences it would have all gone through honkey dory no issues. I would not have bet a tenner on it.
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