Sky Blue Kid
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Anyone else says that and they get a new arse ripped! You can't 100% say that will happen!
Because I don't think we will end up homeless and a deal will be done.
I keep saying pressure should be on both CCFC and Wasps to get an agreement done now, rather than posturing.
I said digging should be done at the Butts, as that is the latest "thing" that gets mentioned.
I'd love a new CCFC stadium, but I also know unless we get a rich arab owner it isn't happening whether we like it or not.
The rent deal at the Ricoh? - CCFC & Wasps
The academy deal and location? - CCFC / CSF & Wasps
The development of BPA? CCFC / Cov Rugby
The potential sale of Ryton for a larger site? CCFC and secondary : Sport England / Rugby Council
The building of a new stadium? CCFC
They are the people who should be pressured at least into getting things sorted for each thing. Cov Rugby can easily rule out BPA but have gone silent as the lease is sold, but no questions or digging?
Wasps won't ever feel pressure, it will just be a "No comment" or "SISUs fault". Simple as that.
So what do you expect them to be doing?
Anyone else says that and they get a new arse ripped! You can't 100% say that will happen!
SISU/Otium/Fisher/Sepalla. Will tell you exactly what THEY want you to know.. Nothing more.
Where have the CET told fans to get outraged?Nobody is sweeping anything under a rug are they? They just aren't getting outraged because the CET tell us to.
I think the fact this "news" will shadow a good win at the weekend says it all.
Things have changed in 3 years, it is still bollocks though.
It would be silly to not dig into the Butts situation just because Fisher said so wouldn't it?
You can't pressure someone who won't feel pressure! I don't see how there is any onus on Wasps to help CCFC secure a rent deal? CCFC having no future ground to play in with no viable local alternative vs Wasps 100k + pies. What's the split of revenue from the f+b deal with Compass? As I see it, that's the only way we can really pressure wasps to talk - stop buying anything on matchdays.The rent deal at the Ricoh? - CCFC & Wasps
The academy deal and location? - CCFC / CSF & Wasps
The development of BPA? CCFC / Cov Rugby
The potential sale of Ryton for a larger site? CCFC and secondary : Sport England / Rugby Council
The building of a new stadium? CCFC
They are the people who should be pressured at least into getting things sorted for each thing. Cov Rugby can easily rule out BPA but have gone silent as the lease is sold, but no questions or digging?
Wasps won't ever feel pressure, it will just be a "No comment" or "SISUs fault". Simple as that.
Check Andy Turner.Simon doesn't share any of those stories on Facebook or Twitter.
He was quoted on 'new stadium' this May.It's pointless banging on about something he said 3 years ago, bullshit or not. Things will have changed since then, for example the Butts wasn't even in the frame then was it?
Of course you can pressure them.You can't pressure someone who won't feel pressure! I don't see how there is any onus on Wasps to help CCFC secure a rent deal? CCFC having no future ground to play in with no viable local alternative vs Wasps 100k + pies. What's the split of revenue from the f+b deal with Compass? As I see it, that's the only way we can really pressure wasps to talk - stop buying anything on matchdays.
Yes, and I've mentioned the wording he used haven't I?He was quoted on 'new stadium' this May.
Well, he threw out 19 more than the subscribers to this forum threw out. Probably a bit tricky for all those busy sitting on their handsIt is hardly real investigative journalism is it?
He threw out a few FOIs.
The CET asked 19 local councils and other organisations if there had been any contact over a potential new stadium, guess the answer?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...coventry-citys-new-stadium-telegraph-12066646
We deserve answers don't we?
Wasps won't ever feel pressure, it will just be a "No comment" or "SISUs fault". Simple as that.
So how do you pressure them? What's their pressure point? They are the one party answerable to no-one in this, other than perhaps the council.Of course you can pressure them.
So how do you pressure them? What's their pressure point? They are the one party answerable to no-one in this.
We know what a stickler you are for references, Nick. Trust you'll ask Fisher for evidence of this political embargo, I'm sure he can back it up with copy documents?I thought Fisher lied about everything?
Digging about what is going on there, trying to find shit out.
Dig about the Ricoh stuff, grill Wasps about it, grill CCFC about that. I understand that they might not want to talk, so then speak to sources, contacts in places. Try and get people to leak stuff.
FOI's are all well and good, but in this case it's no different to the MP and the FL.
We know what a stickler you are for references, Nick. Trust you'll ask Fisher for evidence of this political embargo, I'm sure he can back it up with copy documents?
I'll be thinking he just makes it all up otherwise.
Fishy Tim ~TYFO
Digging. Yes we got digging. Then you start waffling on about other stuff we weren't talking about.
So back to the BPA. What digging do you see being required? What questions should be asked? Who should be asking those questions? Who should be answering those questions? Please don't say digging again.
It's almost as if you haven't read where I am saying the Butts stuff should be dug into.
It only took 5 pages but that's a start NickSo, first of all try to find out about the political embargo (is it about Millerchip?), find out whats going on with the lease, find out what jon sharpe is planning, try to find out if anything has got any further (have any other external companies possibly been contacted about it by any party, potential architects etc).
Try to find out from contacts within the clubs or the councils for whispers as to what is going on.
Same with the Ricoh deal, find out what is going on there, why did negotiations stop? Why did Wasps start negotiations knowing full well about them and then suddenly stop? Was money discussed? Was the length of contract agreed? Why did the council imply they may have some swing over it if SISU gave them money?
I'm not a journalist as you can probably tell, but it doesn't have to be just ask them and take their answer surely? Simon had Duggins on the ropes once when he asked him about the condition of ccfc not being damaged by wasps coming here (to which I did say fair play about). Duggins gave a no comment and it got left, never to be mentioned again. Could maybe do some more investigation into that, after all it could be used to keep ccfc in coventry couldn't it?
Yes yes yes. We got digging. Care to expand.
So, first of all try to find out about the political embargo (is it about Millerchip?), find out whats going on with the lease, find out what jon sharpe is planning, try to find out if anything has got any further (have any other external companies possibly been contacted about it by any party, potential architects etc).
Try to find out from contacts within the clubs or the councils for whispers as to what is going on.
Same with the Ricoh deal, find out what is going on there, why did negotiations stop? Why did Wasps start negotiations knowing full well about them and then suddenly stop? Was money discussed? Was the length of contract agreed? Why did the council imply they may have some swing over it if SISU gave them money?
I'm not a journalist as you can probably tell, but it doesn't have to be just ask them and take their answer surely? Simon had Duggins on the ropes once when he asked him about the condition of ccfc not being damaged by wasps coming here (to which I did say fair play about). Duggins gave a no comment and it got left, never to be mentioned again. Could maybe do some more investigation into that, after all it could be used to keep ccfc in coventry couldn't it?
The football team - they've been compromising that for 9 years.Final thoughts are, its correct all sides need to be held to account, it is correct that some blame elsewhere BUT that doesn't actually provide solutions, that will take compromise and humility. We all know what we expect CCC & Wasps to compromise on what is it that SISU will?
Chris Millerchip. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-ground-share-coventry-11915196 out of the picture I would think.
John Sharp. Gone quite. Yes could do with pushing. Not sure what he could say about the ground share with CCFC without a joint statement though. Or the development either for that matter.
"Try to find out from contacts within the clubs or the councils for whispers as to what is going on" Isn't that what the FOI's you've got your knickers in a twist about are doing where the councils are concerned. Aren't the CT banned from all non match day activities? I gues that one is going to have to fall on the shoulders of others whether that be the observer, CWR (who can't get TF AKA the man in charge of the new stadium, on the show) or the SCG, try not to laugh.
Political Embargo. What political embargo? TF should clarify because as they have not requested any help of CCC (as far as we know and certainly that's what the FOI's suggest) how can there be an embargo? CCC can't block any planning for reasons outside of the planning laws. If any planning application doesn't meet planning regs that's not a political embargo that's the law doing it's job. CCC don't have the final say in the planning application appeal process anyway. Is TF suggesting that this "embargo" goes all the way to Westminster?
Is he out of the picture? Nobody seems to know.
You are speaking like journalists need things to fall into their lap and that to get the truth they should just ask them direct, I haven't got my knickers in a twist about FOI's, I have just said they aren't actually proving anything are they?
Political embargo, who knows? Politics doesn't have to just be the council does it?
He's agreed the sale of the leasehold to John Sharp. Once completed (assuming it isn't already) how would he still be in the picture? The FOI's have proved things though. A) there is no site, for the reasons we've already discussed. B) There has been no approach involving the club at the BPA so how can there be a "political embargo" unless it's coming from the direction of the club? In which case the BPA is a non starter anyway because it isn't going to happen unless the club is willing to get involved with CCC. In which case there is no digging to be done. The answers are already there Nick if you ask me. You just need to be willing to see them.
He's chucked in a few FOIs, hardly what you'd call investigative journalism.You wanted real investigative journalism, he's now delivered one, and you still ask questions?
That's not his Facebook, this is his: https://www.facebook.com/TheSimonGilbert/?fref=tsAgain that's false, he does on Facebook. Don't use Twitter so wouldn't know.
Of course they do. Where are the questions of the council who promised the club wouldn't be negatively impacted by the arrival of Wasps for example. Or how much pressure is being put on Wasps regarding their sudden decision to stop talking to the club. The CT absolutely should be looking at the way the club is run and the progress, or lack of, with a new stadium but that doesn't mean they should just ignore everyone else involved.lets not be naive. CET have an agenda.
While technically correct its not really as straightforward as that. Look at the correspondence in the Wasps Higgs application and compare it to some other planning applications. CCC were bending over backwards to ensure the Wasps application went through but weren't acting in a similar manner for others.Isn't there a quote somewhere from the council leader saying that they have no power to simply block a proposed building plan but have to look at each one on its merits.
Wonder what the exact phrasing of the question was that allows CCC to answer no when they clearly have knowledge of the clubs desire to move to an expanded Butts?The CET asked 19 local councils and other organisations if there had been any contact over a potential new stadium, guess the answer?
nonsense!
The CET haven't done anything wrong, but they haven't told us anything we don't already know.
It's lazy journalism and my criticism has nothing to do with a sense of loyalty to our owners.
In fact it tells me that those up in arms were actually clinging onto some hope that sisu were going to build a new stadium and this article had shattered that hope, I never believed them in the first place.
Did the FL believe them? Presumably they did. Most City fans know that Fisher was being economical with the truth. Why don't the football authorities? I am pleased that the Telegraph are doing stuff like this. It may be a non story here (although I am not sure that the wider Coventry and Warwickshire readership would know or care about the story), but do people including fans of other outside of our area, do the football authorities. I work in Chelmsley Wood with a few football fans. They only know our story because I keep banging on about it. If one of the national media outlets picks up on this and uses it as part of a story, isn't it worth it? Anything that shows up Sisu for what they really are is all to the good as far as I am concerned
He's chucked in a few FOIs, hardly what you'd call investigative journalism.
That's not his Facebook, this is his: https://www.facebook.com/TheSimonGilbert/?fref=ts
Of course they do. Where are the questions of the council who promised the club wouldn't be negatively impacted by the arrival of Wasps for example. Or how much pressure is being put on Wasps regarding their sudden decision to stop talking to the club. The CT absolutely should be looking at the way the club is run and the progress, or lack of, with a new stadium but that doesn't mean they should just ignore everyone else involved.
While technically correct its not really as straightforward as that. Look at the correspondence in the Wasps Higgs application and compare it to some other planning applications. CCC were bending over backwards to ensure the Wasps application went through but weren't acting in a similar manner for others.
And, unless it is a standalone stadium, it is likely to be part of a bigger scheme that will involve external funders. There's plenty the council can do to make life difficult in the hope the other parties involved get fed up and either push the club out of their plans or walk away completely. Like, to give a completely hypothetical example, if the club had been involved in a much larger scheme, lets say on the south east boundary of the city, but the council had told those heading the scheme that if certain parts of the scheme weren't amended prior to plans being submitted, say hypothetically to remove a sports stadium, the council would not support the plans and would make their journey through planning as difficult as possible.
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