Dissapointed (3 Viewers)

Evans1883 · Aug 9, 2014

I know its the first game , but lets look at a couple things .
1.if we persist with this formation , i will be suprised if we arent struggling fairly soon , no width , confusion , very little creation.
2.very worried that preslley has said he has no intentions of getting a midfielder , thomas brings absolutely nothing to the team ...nothing ,fleck has so much more to offer .
3. 5 at the back and still ship 3 , webster is a liability , johnson despite his goals seems a liability , clarke again , doesnt really bring much to the team and may aswell have sat on the corner flag all game ...never went forward .Pugh and willis seem our only assured defenders .
4.im concerned that pressley found some positives in this match , where , we invited them on all game really , had very little attacking threat , played most of our passing game just outside our own box blah blah .

VERY POOR today , extremely dissapointed

nicksig · Aug 9, 2014

A serious question: when was the last game that we weren't really poor?

ccfc92 · Aug 9, 2014

Agreed it was disappointing today. But you never know, we might win 5 in a row from now

Evans1883 · Aug 9, 2014

That formation , be lucky to get a win

Otis · Aug 9, 2014

Evans1883 said:
I know its the first game , but lets look at a couple things .
1.if we persist with this formation , i will be suprised if we arent struggling fairly soon , no width , confusion , very little creation.
2.very worried that preslley has said he has no intentions of getting a midfielder , thomas brings absolutely nothing to the team ...nothing ,fleck has so much more to offer .
3. 5 at the back and still ship 3 , webster is a liability , johnson despite his goals seems a liability , clarke again , doesnt really bring much to the team and may aswell have sat on the corner flag all game ...never went forward .Pugh and willis seem our only assured defenders .
4.im concerned that pressley found some positives in this match , where , we invited them on all game really , had very little attacking threat , played most of our passing game just outside our own box blah blah .

VERY POOR today , extremely dissapointed

1. You're right, it is the first game.

Kingokings204 · Aug 9, 2014

nicksig said:
A serious question: when was the last game that we weren't really poor?

Or more specifically when did we last defend well?

Today was encouraging. To be so close. On another day we get the winner. Just we are Coventry city and we lose these games. 50-50 game and we lose. Always will happen.

It is gutting. Needs to sort out back to 4-4-2 and get rid of Thomas and we will just avoid relegation IMO.

Keep shipping 3 goals and relegation is certain.

Otis · Aug 9, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Or more specifically when did we last defend well?

Today was encouraging. To be so close. On another day we get the winner. Just we are Coventry city and we lose these games. 50-50 game and we lose. Always will happen.

It is gutting. Needs to sort out back to 4-4-2 and get rid of Thomas and we will just avoid relegation IMO.

Keep shipping 3 goals and relegation is certain.

Based on one game? With 7 players making their debuts?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Evans1883 · Aug 9, 2014

Otis can you honestly say that formation doesnt worry you

malkitccfc · Aug 9, 2014

Formation didn't work today. Thomas was useless as much as I don't like criticising our own players. Looked much better once Fleck came on. Really tough to take this defeat

mark82 · Aug 9, 2014

Otis said:
Based on one game? With 7 players making their debuts?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Against one of the weakest teams in the division.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2014

mark82 said:
Against one of the weakest teams in the division.

Bradford are one of the weakest teams in the division based on? I don't predict them going up or anything but another top half finish isn't too hard to believe.

Remember last year when we were all buzzing about a win vs Bristol who were one of the strongest teams in the league.

johnwillomagic · Aug 9, 2014

Hmm against one of the weakest teams in the division......a very bold statement......one I completely disgaree with too....think Bradford will be safely in mid-table come end of the season!

Otis · Aug 9, 2014

New sides need time to settle.

Think a few people are getting ever so suicidal on the back of one single game.

Let's see how it goes. You either believe in SP or you don't. I for one, do and therefore I think if the system isn't working he will be wise and honest enough to change it.

It's just one single game. And for that very same reason how can we say Bradford are one of the weakest teams? They may look so on paper, but the game isn't played on paper is it.

Leyton Orient, one of the best sides in League One last season, lost at home to today to Chesterfield, who too are being touted as one of the weaker sides who may struggle in Lague One. Let's not get all doom and gloom on the back of one single football result.

shmmeee · Aug 10, 2014

Otis said:
New sides need time to settle.

Think a few people are getting ever so suicidal on the back of one single game.

Let's see how it goes. You either believe in SP or you don't. I for one, do and therefore I think if the system isn't working he will be wise and honest enough to change it.

It's just one single game. And for that very same reason how can we say Bradford are one of the weakest teams? They may look so on paper, but the game isn't played on paper is it.

Leyton Orient, one of the best sides in League One last season, lost at home to today to Chesterfield, who too are being touted as one of the weaker sides who may struggle in Lague One. Let's not get all doom and gloom on the back of one single football result.

I like Pressley and think we can't do better, but what has he ever done to suggest he spots weaknesses in the side and addresses them?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 10, 2014

shmmeee said:
I like Pressley and think we can't do better, but what has he ever done to suggest he spots weaknesses in the side and addresses them?

tbf he's tried a few different things to shore up our defence, it just never works.

Chipfat · Aug 10, 2014

We are a club that is in decline,, that is a fact and with the squad getting weaker each season unless something changes with the decision makers we will carry on downward.. One game means nothing but a pattern in the way you lose is the same as a pattern in the way the club is ran brings people to see only one way..

We concede far to many goals and lose in the same manner, it's not a judgement on 1 game or even a judgement on the other team it's the pattern that's scary..

covboy1987 · Aug 10, 2014

two poor sides

mrtrench · Aug 10, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Keep shipping 3 goals and relegation is certain.

It's not certain, but I agree it is very likely. On the other hand, if we score two goals every game, promotion is likely.

Both of these statements are true for every team in every league every season.

Otis · Aug 10, 2014

shmmeee said:
I like Pressley and think we can't do better, but what has he ever done to suggest he spots weaknesses in the side and addresses them?

He has changed the shape and formation has he not? That shows he is willing to try different systems. He is not stubbornly sticking to just one way of playing come hell or high water is he, like some other managers do. He is willing to change and try new things.

What is there to suggest he is going to stick with wing backs whatever the cost?

Would throw it back at you. What has he done to suggest he doesn't spot weaknesses? If he sticks with this system for a number of games and it doesn't work, but he persists with it and changes nothing, then I will agree with you that he doesn't spot weaknesses in his systems, Shmmeee.

This is just one single game though and already some people are in a state of despair about it and fear for the entire season. I find that just plain daft.

Kingokings204 · Aug 10, 2014

Otis said:
Based on one game? With 7 players making their debuts?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

I would normally agree but Bradford will finish in the bottom half and shipping 3 goals isn't exactly a new thing. It's going to be a close end to the season

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 10, 2014

Otis said:
He has changed the shape and formation has he not? That shows he is willing to try different systems. He is not stubbornly sticking to just one way of playing come hell or high water is he, like some other managers do. He is willing to change and try new things.

What is there to suggest he is going to stick with wing backs whatever the cost?

Would throw it back at you. What has he done to suggest he doesn't spot weaknesses? If he sticks with this system for a number of games and it doesn't work, but he persists with it and changes nothing, then I will agree with you that he doesn't spot weaknesses in his systems, Shmmeee.

This is just one single game though and already some people are in a state of despair about it and fear for the entire season. I find that just plain daft.

Agree with this and your other posts in the thread Otis. Players still getting up to match sharpness, getting used to playing with each other and for some, getting used to a new manager. If we are down the wrong end of the table in a few months time I will be concerned. After one game? No chance.

Let's not forget the multiple times we had a great August but were then looking over our shoulders for the rest of the season.

Kingokings204 · Aug 10, 2014

Chipfat said:
We are a club that is in decline,, that is a fact and with the squad getting weaker each season unless something changes with the decision makers we will carry on downward.. One game means nothing but a pattern in the way you lose is the same as a pattern in the way the club is ran brings people to see only one way..

We concede far to many goals and lose in the same manner, it's not a judgement on 1 game or even a judgement on the other team it's the pattern that's scary..

This is what I tried to say bit chipfat has done it better. The club is still on a massive downward spiral and the squad and team are weaker than last season. No doubt about it so to think it won't be another relegation scrap is silly. Yes just 1 game in but it's the same result and didn't I read that's 4 wins out of 24 games now.

Football is about winning games. 4 wins in 24 is horrendous and needs addressing. We go into next game against favourites for the league. Great.

Hobo · Aug 10, 2014

I won't get carried away with this defeat anymore than if we had won 3-2. Will start making judgements after 6 games when form starts to settle down a bit.

Still need a central defensive mid, centre back and a striker. First two as signings, striker could be a loan.

Evans1883 · Aug 10, 2014

I have no doubt that we can still pay higher wages than alot of teams in the league , having said that almost all teams buy free agents , however we always seem to get the drebs , why .
Bradford started with 5 new faces and looked like they knew eachother , they are to finish around 15-18th according to bookmakers , and as somebody said chesterfield ...7th , my issue is i could see that formation was not working , why not change to 442 , put fleck on , take off clarke and push obrien and swanson to respective wings .....I could see that , why couldnt pressley

Otis · Aug 10, 2014

Well, you have a point of course, but it is just one game. If we keep deploying the same tactics and it keeps going wrong, then I'll start worrying.

Evans1883 · Aug 10, 2014

Lets just hope he doesnt get obsessive with this like thorn did with the diamond lol

Otis · Aug 10, 2014

One big difference.

Pressley is a football manager. Andy Thorn will never be.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 10, 2014

Kingokings204......"Football is about winning games. 4 wins in 24 is horrendous and needs addressing. We go into next game against favourites for the league. Great."...........................................................................SBK says Any other manager would have been sacked 10 games ago, but nobody dare say sack SP for fear of being slagged off on the forum. So I'll say this...I'll give him another 10 games then he should go if there's no improvement.

Otis · Aug 10, 2014

Sky Blue Kid said:
Kingokings204......"Football is about winning games. 4 wins in 24 is horrendous and needs addressing. We go into next game against favourites for the league. Great."...........................................................................SBK says Any other manager would have been sacked 10 games ago, but nobody dare say sack SP for fear of being slagged off on the forum. So I'll say this...I'll give him another 10 games then he should go if there's no improvement.

There should be a minimum of 10 games before any of us start calling for his head in my opinion. Give the players chance to gel and then let's see where we are. It's a 46 game season and this is just the very first match.

We can't start getting on the manager's back before a ball has hardly been kicked in anger.

Greggs · Aug 10, 2014

We sold one quality striker and replaced him with 3 average ones. Always asking for trouble....

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 10, 2014

Numbers of games are absolutely ridiculous, the manager's either doing the right thing or they're not.

Not like after 9 games, a win in the 10th all is sweetness and light, a loss and it isn't, is it?

Either the manager's implementing the strategy well (and results will turn eventually if so, anyway) or he isn't... and if he isn't, he should go regardless of timing.

Otis · Aug 10, 2014

Greggs said:
We sold one quality striker and replaced him with 3 average ones. Always asking for trouble....

Well, big worry if true, but we need to give them a chance. They could prove to be good acquisitons for us, who knows. Remember McGoldrick. When we got him we all thought it was a bad signing and his goalscoring record was very poor. Maybe one of our new strikers will replicate that same sort of form for us.

Sometimes a player just slots in at the right club and really shines.

shmmeee · Aug 10, 2014

Even the most optimistic of us seems to be hanging an awful lot on ifs buts and maybes.

Greggs · Aug 10, 2014

Otis said:
Well, big worry if true, but we need to give them a chance. They could prove to be good acquisitons for us, who knows. Remember McGoldrick. When we got him we all thought it was a bad signing and his goalscoring record was very poor. Maybe one of our new strikers will replicate that same sort of form for us.

Sometimes a player just slots in at the right club and really shines.

BUT within ten minutues of watching McGoldrick play (and wilson) you can tell they have quailty. I didnt see any of this yesterday.

Otis · Aug 10, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Numbers of games are absolutely ridiculous, the manager's either doing the right thing or they're not.

Not like after 9 games, a win in the 10th all is sweetness and light, a loss and it isn't, is it?

Either the manager's implementing the strategy well (and results will turn eventually if so, anyway) or he isn't... and if he isn't, he should go regardless of timing.

But in saying that NW, you have to give new players a chance to gel and fit into systems and that takes games. 7 debuts for us yesterday. Sometimes these things take time and therefore you have to give a number of games to give everything chance to work. Unless of course it is clearly apparent he hasn't got a clue what he's doing.

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