shmmeee
Well-Known Member
And a lot of them are. There’s absolutely loads of land and we basically have one large city. We could increase density in London alone by a couple of million
A lot of the unbuilt areas aren't suitable. And if we start getting rid of green spaces and cutting down forest the physical and mental health of the country will drop off a cliff.
Net migration into the UK has slowed down significantly in parallel with the economy. How on earth can adding more people be a drain on the value of goods and services being sold?
The UK net migration rate is significantly lower than the USA.
I said that illegal immigration was symbolic more than anything. The focus needs to be on reducing low skill, low wage migration and I don’t understand why people of the left would oppose that.
To change the topic slightly because immigration is not a policy priority for me and never has been and probably never will be.
What are you actually dissatisfied with? When we talk about the state of the country, be it the NHS, education and immigration… it doesn’t seem like you want to change anything. Not in a facetious way, I just want to see things from your POV.
Health in London is shit. And they've even got a large number of parks, certainly in central areas.And a lot of them are. There’s absolutely loads of land and we basically have one large city. We could increase density in London alone by a couple of million
Health in London is shit. And they've even got a large number of parks, certainly in central areas.
I think it’s a good idea, and I’m not sure it’s any more controversial than capping the voting age at something like 75. At the very least they have a say in the country they have to live their adults lives in.What do we think of lowering the voting age to 16. Personally I think it is madness to give the vote to someone who cannot sell me a lottery ticket or a bottle of zero alcohol beer and that it is akin to gerrymandering.
There’s a far stronger case for capping right to vote at 75 than there is for stopping 16 and 17 year olds having a vote. Not least because the law of averages says that at 76+ you’re unlikely to see that parliament out unlike a 16 or 17 year old . My eldest is going to narrowly miss out voting this time at a GE yet she’s more likely to feel the consequences of her grandparents vote than they are. I also doubt that her opinions have changed that much since she turned 16 either, for as long as I remember she has always said that she’ll only ever vote green.I think it’s a good idea, and I’m not sure it’s any more controversial than capping the voting age at something like 75. At the very least they have a say in the country they have to live their adults lives in.
she’ll only ever vote green.
16 year olds will be able to bring so much experience of life to the process.There’s a far stronger case for capping right to vote at 75 than there is for stopping 16 and 17 year olds having a vote. Not least because the law of averages says that at 76+ you’re unlikely to see that parliament out unlike a 16 or 17 year old . My eldest is going to narrowly miss out voting this time at a GE yet she’s more likely to feel the consequences of her grandparents vote than they are. I also doubt that her opinions have changed that much since she turned 16 either, for as long as I remember she has always said that she’ll only ever vote green.
As I said, it would be an attempt to rig the vote. Having a single party permanently in power with no chance of an effective opposition would be disastrous. Could even be a precursor to an eventual one party state with all the risks that would entail.Not a fan myself and I do suspect Labour wouldn’t be pushing for it if 16/17 year olds were all massive Tories.
I’d much rather we rationalised everything else (driving, marriage, school leaving, etc) to 18 than the other way.
OK, let’s make payment of income tax the criterion.If a 16 year old is working full time and paying taxes, they have as much right to have a say as everyone else.
If a 16 year old is working full time and paying taxes, they have as much right to have a say as everyone else.
Showing my age thereNo 16 year old is working full time. They have to be in at least some education.
Everyone pays taxes, even my 9 year old. There’s no lower age limit.
I think he meant income tax.No 16 year old is working full time. They have to be in at least some education.
Everyone pays taxes, even my 9 year old. There’s no lower age limit.
I think he meant income tax.
Farage standing is fantastic news for Labour
I genuinely believe the Tories will struggle to get over 75 seats
To be fair, there has been pressure and, IIRC, targets to reduce the number of elective Caesarian sections for quite some time.This sort of shite is why I don’t see the Green Party as some cuddly alternative to Labour. Straight up dangerous and anti medicine policy that would result in more dead mothers and children.
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Farage having a meltdown.
On the other hand they can work full time, why shouldn't they be able to vote?What do we think of lowering the voting age to 16. Personally I think it is madness to give the vote to someone who cannot sell me a lottery ticket or a bottle of zero alcohol beer and that it is akin to gerrymandering.
Bitter boomers life experience has served us well16 year olds will be able to bring so much experience of life to the process.
If living to to the end of a Parliament should be a factor, why not let 13 year olds vote.
To be fair, there has been pressure and, IIRC, targets to reduce the number of elective Caesarian sections for quite some time.
Being older than 16 doesn’t automatically make you more sensible, as evidence of this I present Liz Truss. 16 is the age you become an adult in law so it’s only right that they get the vote. You’re being deliberately flippant saying why not let 13 year olds and it adds nothing to the discussion. For the record I wouldn’t consider banning over 75 year olds from voting, I’m just making the point that there’s more of an argument to allow 16 year olds vote than there is over 75’s.16 year olds will be able to bring so much experience of life to the process.
If living to to the end of a Parliament should be a factor, why not let 13 year olds vote.
Being older than 16 doesn’t automatically make you more sensible, as evidence of this I present Liz Truss. 16 is the age you become an adult in law so it’s only right that they get the vote. You’re being deliberately flippant saying why not let 13 year olds and it adds nothing to the discussion. For the record I wouldn’t consider banning over 75 year olds from voting, I’m just making the point that there’s more of an argument to allow 16 year olds vote than there is over 75’s.
I think the crux of the problem is that the older generations don’t like that it’s 16+ year olds that are shaping the country so they want to delay that process. Despite the fact that when they were in their teens right up until they retired they were the ones shaping the country. The national service argument is the ideal example of this. I’m 51 and I’m hearing some people of a similar age and older going yeah that’s a good idea, that will sort out the youth. Oblivious to the fact that old people were saying the exact same thing about them when they were a teenager. Yes your children and grandchildren don’t hold all your values, suck it up snowflakes, your grandparents and parents probably had the same issue with you when you were younger.
The two things they've written there seem contradictory to me, why shouldn't a woman have her choice of delivery method given that she's been given an explanation of associated risks? The reference to the cost of a section is alarming, sounds like something you'd hear from a Tory.This sort of shite is why I don’t see the Green Party as some cuddly alternative to Labour. Straight up dangerous and anti medicine policy that would result in more dead mothers and children.
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Being older than 16 doesn’t automatically make you more sensible, as evidence of this I present Liz Truss. 16 is the age you become an adult in law so it’s only right that they get the vote. You’re being deliberately flippant saying why not let 13 year olds and it adds nothing to the discussion. For the record I wouldn’t consider banning over 75 year olds from voting, I’m just making the point that there’s more of an argument to allow 16 year olds vote than there is over 75’s.
I think the crux of the problem is that the older generations don’t like that it’s 16+ year olds that are shaping the country so they want to delay that process. Despite the fact that when they were in their teens right up until they retired they were the ones shaping the country. The national service argument is the ideal example of this. I’m 51 and I’m hearing some people of a similar age and older going yeah that’s a good idea, that will sort out the youth. Oblivious to the fact that old people were saying the exact same thing about them when they were a teenager. Yes your children and grandchildren don’t hold all your values, suck it up snowflakes, your grandparents and parents probably had the same issue with you when you were younger.
Speaking of recent experience in Walsgrave, they do try and push you to their birthing unit if no complications anyway, which is as natural and non medical as you can get. They also explain the risks of caesarian, so you know it's riskier than a natural birth.
Not sure the culture needs to change that much in that respect. There are things I'm really not sure about that happened, but if we're talking staff resource it's in the hospital's interests for things to go as smoothly and 'non-medically' as possible, anyway! It's not in their interests to push people towards caesarians unless needed.
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