For example, claiming he only supported Corbyn because he knew Labour wouldn’t win, that women can have penises and that we will be using zero carbon electricity and saving £1400 a year on our electricity bills in 5 and a half years time.Such as?
Labour have never claimed to save you £1400 on your electricity bill with green energy. They have claimed that they will save you £300 though by decarbonising electricity generation. It’s not even that controversial if you look at the cost of producing electricity by each means. Renewables are cheaper, the more you bring renewables on line while phasing out nuclear and fossil bills should come down. It’s just basic maths. So you’re wrong on that and everything else just sounds like hyperbole.For example, claiming he only supported Corbyn because he knew Labour wouldn’t win, that women can have penises and that we will be using zero carbon electricity and saving £1400 a year on our electricity bills in 5 and a half years time.
Labour have never claimed to save you £1400 on your electricity bill with green energy. They have claimed that they will save you £300 though by decarbonising electricity generation. It’s not even that controversial if you look at the cost of producing electricity by each means. Renewables are cheaper, the more you bring renewables on line while phasing out nuclear and fossil bills should come down. It’s just basic maths. So you’re wrong on that and everything else just sounds like hyperbole.
see page 6
”Labour will take up to £1,400 off the annual household bill and £53 billion of energy bills for business by 2030, by delivering a cheaper, zero-carbon electricity system.”
My understanding was that zero-carbon energy was green energy. And by 2030 is 4 and a half years, so I was being overly generous there.
Up to is going to be key there, devil is always in the details.
see page 6
”Labour will take up to £1,400 off the annual household bill and £53 billion of energy bills for business by 2030, by delivering a cheaper, zero-carbon electricity system.”
My understanding was that zero-carbon energy was green energy. And by 2030 is 4 and a half years, so I was being overly generous there.
I was quoting this article
see page 6
”Labour will take up to £1,400 off the annual household bill and £53 billion of energy bills for business by 2030, by delivering a cheaper, zero-carbon electricity system.”
My understanding was that zero-carbon energy was green energy. And by 2030 is 4 and a half years, so I was being overly generous there.
Up to is going to be key there, devil is always in the details.
Apparently the average household energy bill is £1626.04 a year, can't imagine they're promising £1,400 off that!
only had a very quick google but it looks like the £1,400 figure was the maximum (hence the up to) saving when energy prices skyrocketed a couple of years ago and the government had to step in and subsidise bills.No it’ll be the difference for a drafty detached house with single glazed windows and oil burning heating moving to insulation solar and air pumps.
I've got a decent sized garden in comparison to modern ones. say 5m x 8m front and back. Not massive but decent enough. Much of the back is filled with a garage but it's alright. Tore out the lawn for more plants/flowers so happy enough.Lol - it’s the tooting popular front
Let me guess you don’t have much of a garden and live in a terraced property
Cheer yourself up and watch the trooping of the colour
Genuinely was absolutely fantastic
Same here.
I know you're in Italy but it's really annoying how obsessed the BBC is with Farage, yet they ignore the Greens at a time when climate change is our biggest challenge, and certainly not immigration.
OK, whatever, comrade. You have to create wealth before you can horde it. Unless you are Putin or one of his chums - in which case you just steal it.
Not Tory
Not reform
Only viable party
only had a very quick google but it looks like the £1,400 figure was the maximum (hence the up to) saving when energy prices skyrocketed a couple of years ago and the government had to step in and subsidise bills.
Essentially I think the point was if we were using our own renewables then it doesn't matter what happens elsewhere in the world we are self sufficient when it comes to energy.
Now whether that is realistically achievable or not is a different discussion.
Where are you getting figures for minority British, are you assuming everyone non-white is not British as the only figures I can find are for ethnicity.There's many places in the UK now that are minority British. That's the first point. Laugh at Farage all you want, but he has some valid angles that leftists continue to shy away from. Why do you think someone with next to no serious attributes is now beating our current government of the last several elections in the polls? 140,000 here on dependent visas at it stands. How is that sustainable at all?
I'm sure he just bashes the keyboard while in ChatGPT, asking for a bigoted post in inflammatory language while using 'sources' like this:Where are you getting figures for minority British, are you assuming everyone non-white is not British as the only figures I can find are for ethnicity.
You mention dependent visas, restrictions have already been put in place by the current government which has resulted in a huge shortage of staff in some sectors, notably health & care. A 58% fall in applications for health & care when we're already desperately short of staff.
Universities have spoken of their concern that the restrictions on dependent visas for foreign students is placing them in difficult financial position as they are dependent on the fees overseas students pay “Everybody is waiting with bated breath to see who will go under first".
I don't think anyone would argue against removing people who are here illegal, people who are dangerous or have criminal records but that's not what we're dealing with here. When people just give a blanket less, or even no, immigrants there's never any detail in how they plan to fill the jobs they do and replace the revenue they bring.
In other words, a completely meaningless statement.The key words here are up to.
You are also ignoring the pledge that it electricity will be entirely zero carbon in 4.5 years or less. How long does it take to build one nuclear reactor? How many wind turbines would be needed? How many acres of land would have to disappear under solar panels (preventing the building if 5 story eyesores on those acres)?The key words here are up to.
I agree that renewables are cheaper, but 100% renewables delivered in 4.5 years? Enough supply to support all the electric vehicles and heat pumps being forced on us? And what happens when the wind is too fierce or non existent on gloomy days? It wouldn’t matter what was happening elsewhere in the world then, would it?only had a very quick google but it looks like the £1,400 figure was the maximum (hence the up to) saving when energy prices skyrocketed a couple of years ago and the government had to step in and subsidise bills.
Essentially I think the point was if we were using our own renewables then it doesn't matter what happens elsewhere in the world we are self sufficient when it comes to energy.
Now whether that is realistically achievable or not is a different discussion.
You said Labour had never used £1,400.I was quoting this article
Is Labour's energy plan realistic and how would it affect bills? - BBC News
BBC Verify examines the claims over the party's plan to stop using fossil fuels for electricity by 2030.www.bbc.co.uk
Either way the point still stands the more you bring renewables on line while phasing out nuclear and fossil bills should come down.
I can’t believe the level of cronyism and incompetence will continue and maybe it is a last chance for democracy before populism wel and truly takes over for a season or a generationFair enough, I’ll preface my post with the belief that the Tories deserve to be kicked out.
That said, a lot of left leaning people in my friends and family seem to be primarily voting against the tories rather than their optimism for Starmer and the Labour Party policy programme.
Call it a prediction, but I can’t see much changing materially between this current government and the perspective Labour one. Therefore, I think that the honeymoon period will be brief and Starmer could become rapidly unpopular. From here, the demand for populism could be massive - left and right wing populism.
Personally, I don’t think Labour will win 2 elections because there’s no grand vision and that’s evident from the people on here almost begrudgingly voting Labour. The advantage Labour will have is the chaos that will follow on the political right.
Things will change, no one foreseen the Tories throwing away an 80-seat majority to near electoral extinction in one parliament. Post-WW2 there’s been nothing like it at all.
No government on their own can make this country better it’s down to each of us and each communityI'll try and be as fair as possible, cause on this thread I imagine you'll get a pat on the back from most people, but with immigration I think you're extremely wide of the mark here.
There's many places in the UK now that are minority British. That's the first point. Laugh at Farage all you want, but he has some valid angles that leftists continue to shy away from. Why do you think someone with next to no serious attributes is now beating our current government of the last several elections in the polls? 140,000 here on dependent visas at it stands. How is that sustainable at all? That's just the surface. Our policy on immigration only does one thing; drive resentment towards those that want to come here and genuinely contribute and make the country a better place. As I said, I know my post will be hounded on here, but eventually it might be worthwhile to listen, as I don't think any of you have been on the winning side of an election/referendum for the best part of twenty years.
As for the upcoming one; what is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Neither Labour or Conservatives will make this country better, I'm absolutely sure of it. Sadly, I can't see anyone else offering a better option either.
Politics at the moment is absolutely depressing as hell. I don't blame anyone for pulling the protest vote. I predict we'll see a lot of that in July. Labour will probably win though, but is that really because they are good? Not at all. It's because the Conservatives have alienated the entire nation. It's not really anything to celebrate. Utterly shit times I'm afraid.
Exactly what will happen here.How Jacinda Ardern left New Zealand on the brink of blackouts
Fallout from country’s oil ban offers dire warning for a Labour-run Britainwww.telegraph.co.uk
The party “will not be issuing licences to explore new [oil and gas] fields as we accelerate to clean power”, a Labour spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.
It follows last weekend’s announcement that New Zealand’s government was lifting a ban on new oil and gas exploration.
The ban was announced by former prime minister Jacinda Ardern in 2018. “The world has moved on from fossil fuels,” Ardern proclaimed at the time.
New Zealand’s trailblazing policy, which was the first of its kind, became a key inspiration for the Labour Party’s own plan.
However, some in the party are now questioning the commitment after New Zealand resources minister Shane Jones last weekend denounced
its own ban as a disaster – and revoked it.
It followed three years of rising energy prices that have left 110,000 households unable to warm their homes, 19pc of households struggling with bills and 40,000 of them having their power cut off due to unpaid bills, according to Consumer NZ.
Since April the situation has further deteriorated: Transpower, the equivalent of our National Grid, warned that the nation was at high risk of blackouts.
New Zealand’s shift to renewables meant it no longer had the generating power to keep the lights on during the cold spells that mark the Antipodean winter, said Transpower, as it begged consumers to cut their electricity consumption.
How many acres of land would have to disappear under solar panels (preventing the building if 5 story eyesores on those acres)?
How Jacinda Ardern left New Zealand on the brink of blackouts
Fallout from country’s oil ban offers dire warning for a Labour-run Britainwww.telegraph.co.uk
The party “will not be issuing licences to explore new [oil and gas] fields as we accelerate to clean power”, a Labour spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.
It follows last weekend’s announcement that New Zealand’s government was lifting a ban on new oil and gas exploration.
The ban was announced by former prime minister Jacinda Ardern in 2018. “The world has moved on from fossil fuels,” Ardern proclaimed at the time.
New Zealand’s trailblazing policy, which was the first of its kind, became a key inspiration for the Labour Party’s own plan.
However, some in the party are now questioning the commitment after New Zealand resources minister Shane Jones last weekend denounced
its own ban as a disaster – and revoked it.
It followed three years of rising energy prices that have left 110,000 households unable to warm their homes, 19pc of households struggling with bills and 40,000 of them having their power cut off due to unpaid bills, according to Consumer NZ.
Since April the situation has further deteriorated: Transpower, the equivalent of our National Grid, warned that the nation was at high risk of blackouts.
New Zealand’s shift to renewables meant it no longer had the generating power to keep the lights on during the cold spells that mark the Antipodean winter, said Transpower, as it begged consumers to cut their electricity consumption.
How Jacinda Ardern left New Zealand on the brink of blackouts
Fallout from country’s oil ban offers dire warning for a Labour-run Britainwww.telegraph.co.uk
The party “will not be issuing licences to explore new [oil and gas] fields as we accelerate to clean power”, a Labour spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.
It follows last weekend’s announcement that New Zealand’s government was lifting a ban on new oil and gas exploration.
The ban was announced by former prime minister Jacinda Ardern in 2018. “The world has moved on from fossil fuels,” Ardern proclaimed at the time.
New Zealand’s trailblazing policy, which was the first of its kind, became a key inspiration for the Labour Party’s own plan.
However, some in the party are now questioning the commitment after New Zealand resources minister Shane Jones last weekend denounced
its own ban as a disaster – and revoked it.
It followed three years of rising energy prices that have left 110,000 households unable to warm their homes, 19pc of households struggling with bills and 40,000 of them having their power cut off due to unpaid bills, according to Consumer NZ.
Since April the situation has further deteriorated: Transpower, the equivalent of our National Grid, warned that the nation was at high risk of blackouts.
New Zealand’s shift to renewables meant it no longer had the generating power to keep the lights on during the cold spells that mark the Antipodean winter, said Transpower, as it begged consumers to cut their electricity consumption.
I’m not that stupid, however there are huge solar farms being installed in fields not all that far from where I live And there is a reason for that.The well-known phenomena that solar panels can only be installed at ground level.
Tories and Labour on course for lowest share of the vote since 1945
Poll reveals historically low support for the big two, with smaller parties up by five pointswww.theguardian.com
Casts an interesting light on the whole Labour strategy of whoring out to the Daily Mail and renouncing anything vaguely progressive.This isn’t surprising
In truth as well the election is mirroring the 1983 election which was viewed as a huge mandate for thatcher.
The left vote was higher but split massively. Despite the real socialist Labour (not the bland Tory Light we have now) crashing they and the SDP managed 50% of the vote. The split now is on the right.
Casts an interesting light on the whole Labour strategy of whoring out to the Daily Mail and renouncing anything vaguely progressive.
Tories and Labour on course for lowest share of the vote since 1945
Poll reveals historically low support for the big two, with smaller parties up by five pointswww.theguardian.com
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