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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Going well so far

It was a completely insane decision. Makes Cameron's Brexit referendum look positively sane.

Of course he himself doesn't lose his office. Maybe he was thinking if he lets them in now, they've got time to fuck it up before he's up for re-election?
 

Grendel

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It was a completely insane decision. Makes Cameron's Brexit referendum look positively sane.

Of course he himself doesn't lose his office. Maybe he was thinking if he lets them in now, they've got time to fuck it up before he's up for re-election?

Seemingly not as he’s now scrambling around trying to stand candidates down in his party if the socialist alliance agrees the same to try and hold onto power.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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It was a completely insane decision. Makes Cameron's Brexit referendum look positively sane.

Of course he himself doesn't lose his office. Maybe he was thinking if he lets them in now, they've got time to fuck it up before he's up for re-election?
Scary times
You’d like to think le pen would be a statesman but I have doubts
 

Grendel

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If Le Penn wins she has stated she will withdraw Ukraine financial support

The wannabe napoleon will have to put his hoodie on e bay
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Heard labour leader on virgin radio with Chris evans today who was doing his hardest to get some humanity out of him
He just wasn’t getting the help and was earnestly trying to answer everything as fully as possible
Why did you join the Labour Party? Long answer about his mum and dad didn’t answer
What would you tell Southgate about managing a team and getting the best out of them? Long answer that boiled down to tell them to ignore what everyone is saying
I think he’s genuine I really do but he’s just cerebral
 

Grendel

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Heard labour leader on virgin radio with Chris evans today who was doing his hardest to get some humanity out of him
He just wasn’t getting the help and was earnestly trying to answer everything as fully as possible
Why did you join the Labour Party? Long answer about his mum and dad didn’t answer
What would you tell Southgate about managing a team and getting the best out of them? Long answer that boiled down to tell them to ignore what everyone is saying
I think he’s genuine I really do but he’s just cerebral

He’s the Labour version of Cameron. Wants the job for his ego and when he gets it wonder why he bothered
 

skybluetony176

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Patriotic nationalism across Europe taking us back decades to working apart rather than together for the common good
I wouldn’t worry about it Pete. The brand of right wing populism sweeping many countries are just a bunch of talentless charlatans who when faced with real responsibility will crumble. Look at Argentina, they wanted him out with in a couple of months, mass protests most weeks. They’re stuck with him and by the time the next elections come round they’ll see the mistake of electing far right populist chancers. Looks like they have already.

Maybe France needs the same, see the reality of far right populism and lament it. She doesn’t seem to have any qualities that’s going to change anything for the better. She’s a disrupter, nothing more.
 

fatso

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I wouldn’t worry about it Pete. The brand of right wing populism sweeping many countries are just a bunch of talentless charlatans who when faced with real responsibility will crumble. Look at Argentina, they wanted him out with in a couple of months, mass protests most weeks. They’re stuck with him and by the time the next elections come round they’ll see the mistake of electing far right populist chancers. Looks like they have already.

Maybe France needs the same, see the reality of far right populism and lament it. She doesn’t seem to have any qualities that’s going to change anything for the better. She’s a disrupter, nothing more.
That's called ostrich thinking apparently.

As in stick your head in the sand and ignore the reasons people are voting for change.

It could be worse, at least your not ignorant enough to brand millions of French men and women as "gammons and frothers"

The fact is, there's millions of people across Europe who feel disenfranchised by their political classes and are looking for an alternative. Here in the UK that alternative will be Labour, but in 5 years time, when we see the inevitable fuck up that they will inflict upon the country (like the Tory party) you'll invariably see a similar surge to the right as we're seeing now in France and other countries.

Part of the problem is that when people seek a political change, they nearly always bring about a 180 degree change rather than a gentle, controlled steer towards the centre ground.
Thus we'll end up screeching along like an out of control car trying to avoid hitting both curbs.
 

SBAndy

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That's called ostrich thinking apparently.

As in stick your head in the sand and ignore the reasons people are voting for change.

It could be worse, at least your not ignorant enough to brand millions of French men and women as "gammons and frothers"

The fact is, there's millions of people across Europe who feel disenfranchised by their political classes and are looking for an alternative. Here in the UK that alternative will be Labour, but in 5 years time, when we see the inevitable fuck up that they will inflict upon the country (like the Tory party) you'll invariably see a similar surge to the right as we're seeing now in France and other countries.

Part of the problem is that when people seek a political change, they nearly always bring about a 180 degree change rather than a gentle, controlled steer towards the centre ground.
Thus we'll end up screeching along like an out of control car trying to avoid hitting both curbs.

I think people en masse are seeking simple answers to complex questions.
 

skybluetony176

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That's called ostrich thinking apparently.

As in stick your head in the sand and ignore the reasons people are voting for change.

It could be worse, at least your not ignorant enough to brand millions of French men and women as "gammons and frothers"

The fact is, there's millions of people across Europe who feel disenfranchised by their political classes and are looking for an alternative. Here in the UK that alternative will be Labour, but in 5 years time, when we see the inevitable fuck up that they will inflict upon the country (like the Tory party) you'll invariably see a similar surge to the right as we're seeing now in France and other countries.

Part of the problem is that when people seek a political change, they nearly always bring about a 180 degree change rather than a gentle, controlled steer towards the centre ground.
Thus we'll end up screeching along like an out of control car trying to avoid hitting both curbs.
We’ve spent the last 14 years lurching further and further to the right and with each lurch things got worse. I’m 51 and I think I have to go back to the my childhood and the 70’s to remember the country being such a mess. The polls have shown that most people in the UK have grown tired of right wing populism, phoney culture wars and the such. Come Friday we’ll have an accurate measure of that and the Tories are going to have to reinvent themselves having gone down the rabbit hole. Reform currently polling at 16% in the poll of polls so clearly we’ve worked it out. Problem the tories have is right wing populists is probably all they’ll have after the GE.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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One close to my heart today


Matthew 25.43-45

'I was a stranger and you did not welcome me … sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
Prisons are a stark reminder of the fractures in our society. The words of Jesus Christ in today’s reading provoke us to care and pray for those in prison and remind us not to forget those who are hidden from society. What might this mean for penal reform?

The prison population is growing, and resources have not kept pace. As we pray for our overcrowded prison system, we pray for just leaders who want mercy and hope to be interwoven with justice and punishment. We pray for a commitment to prisons as places of rehabilitation and transformation.

As society seeks to reduce offending and reoffending, we pray for leaders with holistic, imaginative and courageous vision, we pray for the lives of offenders, victims, prison staff, families and communities, as we keep our eyes on God who is making all things new.
Show your mercy on prisoners and refugees
and all who are in trouble, need or distress.
Hear us, good Lord.
 

wingy

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One close to my heart today


Matthew 25.43-45

'I was a stranger and you did not welcome me … sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
Prisons are a stark reminder of the fractures in our society. The words of Jesus Christ in today’s reading provoke us to care and pray for those in prison and remind us not to forget those who are hidden from society. What might this mean for penal reform?

The prison population is growing, and resources have not kept pace. As we pray for our overcrowded prison system, we pray for just leaders who want mercy and hope to be interwoven with justice and punishment. We pray for a commitment to prisons as places of rehabilitation and transformation.

As society seeks to reduce offending and reoffending, we pray for leaders with holistic, imaginative and courageous vision, we pray for the lives of offenders, victims, prison staff, families and communities, as we keep our eyes on God who is making all things new.​
Show your mercy on prisoners and refugees
and all who are in trouble, need or distress.
Hear us, good Lord.
Just be careful with your timing Pete!
 

shmmeee

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That's called ostrich thinking apparently.

As in stick your head in the sand and ignore the reasons people are voting for change.

It could be worse, at least your not ignorant enough to brand millions of French men and women as "gammons and frothers"

The fact is, there's millions of people across Europe who feel disenfranchised by their political classes and are looking for an alternative. Here in the UK that alternative will be Labour, but in 5 years time, when we see the inevitable fuck up that they will inflict upon the country (like the Tory party) you'll invariably see a similar surge to the right as we're seeing now in France and other countries.

Part of the problem is that when people seek a political change, they nearly always bring about a 180 degree change rather than a gentle, controlled steer towards the centre ground.
Thus we'll end up screeching along like an out of control car trying to avoid hitting both curbs.

We had our surge to the right in 2019. It’s about to end in the biggest defeat on record for the party that did it.
 

shmmeee

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I think people en masse are seeking simple answers to complex questions.

People don’t like the globalised world. Everything is too complex and uncontrollable and really politicians can do little in the face of global events. Add in social media over lockdown and, well…
 

skybluetony176

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Isn’t God a simple answer to complex questions?
TBF it doesn’t seem to be. You have 3 major religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believing in the same God each with multiple sects in them. All three religions are largely in disagreement with each other on how good should be worshipped and understood. Then within each of those there’s loads of disagreement about how god should be worshipped and understood. Sounds anything but a simple answer.
 

MalcSB

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TBF it doesn’t seem to be. You have 3 major religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believing in the same God each with multiple sects in them. All three religions are largely in disagreement with each other on how good should be worshipped and understood. Then within each of those there’s loads of disagreement about how god should be worshipped and understood. Sounds anything but a simple answer.
That’s different cultures view on how to worship and represent the simple answer to complex questions. The concept of God is the simple answer.

Why did this, that or the other happen? It is Gods will.
Will this, that or the other happen? If God wills it?
Why should I be good? To please God.
Oh no, I’ve been really bad! Repent and God will forgive you.
 

Ian1779

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That’s different cultures view on how to worship and represent the simple answer to complex questions. The concept of God is the simple answer.

Why did this, that or the other happen? It is Gods will.
Will this, that or the other happen? If God wills it?
Why should I be good? To please God.
Oh no, I’ve been really bad! Repent and God will forgive you.
Maybe it’s God’s will to have lots of immigration in Europe.
 

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