This feels like the protest vote election
Up to the main parties to address the issues that caused this
ps will be interesting to see if any incumbent from covid/inflation period survives…Putin and Xi aside
None of their tax pledges stand up to any scrutiny and certainly not the sort of scrutiny a major party would get. Like the greens, they can get away with it given their current status but as they grow they'll be put more and more in 5he spotlight.
It's trussenomics and we saw how that ended.
Lets hope we don’t get the shit shows of another pandemic and that Russia doesnt invade a neighbour over the nex5 5 years.I think after Johnson people wanted more than perceived charisma. Johnson was an empty vessel. Starmer isn't the most dynamic, but the country needs stability after the shitshow of the last few years.
Their goals were different to Labour and Conservative. These parties needed a plan for government. Parties like Reform and Greens, their goals are for realignment of the the right and left respectively.Reform offered alot that they can't deliver knowing they'd be nowhere near power .. easy to promise when you know you will never have to back those promises up
I think people just didn’t want the Tories. They certainly haven’t flocked in droves to support Starmer’s Labour,I think after Johnson people wanted more than perceived charisma. Johnson was an empty vessel. Starmer isn't the most dynamic, but the country needs stability after the shitshow of the last few years.
I have no doubt that Starmer would have managed both far better than Johnson.@
Lets hope we don’t get the shit shows of another pandemic and that Russia doesnt invade a neighbour over the nex5 5 years.
Exactly - it’s about realignment of the right because they’re an insurgent party. They’ve just won 15% of the popular vote.None of their tax pledges stand up to any scrutiny and certainly not the sort of scrutiny a major party would get. Like the greens, they can get away with it given their current status but as they grow they'll be put more and more in 5he spotlight.
It's trussenomics and we saw how that ended.
Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a dayPosted yesterday... Didn't take long
You and Clint are a perfect example. They have to win disenfranchised Labour voters back to stand a chance of a majority at the next GE. Even I feel like I lent my vote to Labour as it was the tactical vote in my seat to stop the Tories retaining it. My instinct was to vote greens. I suspect that was a big reason for the low turnout.It's strange but yeah, Labour massive majority yet it's on a knife edge.
Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years.It really wasn’t their main pitch. Farage repeated countless times the idea that immigrants are the reason people are worse off.
Blame the foreigners for what ?So what other key note policies will Reform be championing over the next 5 years other than ‘blame the foreigners’
You can’t possibly know that. Starmer wanted to extend lock down which would have caused even more damage to the economy. Who knows what his stance on Ukraine would have been.I have no doubt that Starmer would have managed both far better than Johnson.
I think you’re being generous in that suggestion. Farage is always going to Farage, he’s literally based his entire career on the same rhetoric of stoking fear and intolerance for his own gain.Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters.
If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.
The immigration issue will gain huge traction if it isn't reduced soon. That's democracy.Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years.
Rents and house prices are up, NHS waiting times are up and schools overcrowded. There’s multiple factors, no doubt net immigration being high as it is plays a role here. It’s an issue that consistently is a top 3 concern for voters so Farage would be stupid not to hammer home that point.
Lack of infrastructureBlame the foreigners for what ?
Corbyn holding shows something..
Johnson completely messed up the response to the pandemic and didnt take it seriously until it was too late. I also can’t imagine Starmer coming out with something like “let the bodies pile high”.You can’t possibly know that. Starmer wanted to extend lock down which would have caused even more damage to the economy. Who knows what his stance on Ukraine would have been.
People of on here have been expecting a basic level of competence from the new Labour government. I would suggest that the major events of the past 5 years required more than that - and I am not suggesting that the Tories necessarily provided it.
So what do labour need to do to ensure Farage doesn't increase his popularity forthwith?I think you’re being generous in that suggestion. Farage is always going to Farage, he’s literally based his entire career on the same rhetoric of stoking fear and intolerance for his own gain.
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Lets hope we don’t get the shit shows of another pandemic and that Russia doesnt invade a neighbour over the nex5 5 years.
Bizarrly more people voted for Corbyn in 2019 than Starmer has in this election
And 4.5 million people went with it. Are they all ignorant racists ?Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services
it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years
And he lost.
Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services
it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years
And Labour principally won because of the rise of Reform
…so he made immigration the party’s main issue, not tax.Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years.
Rents and house prices are up, NHS waiting times are up and schools overcrowded. There’s multiple factors, no doubt net immigration being high as it is plays a role here. It’s an issue that consistently is a top 3 concern for voters so Farage would be stupid not to hammer home that point.
I voted Green and Twat Western comfortably held his seat anyway, not sure Starmer really cares about the disenfranchised.You and Clint are a perfect example. They have to win disenfranchised Labour voters back to stand a chance of a majority at the next GE. Even I feel like I lent my vote to Labour as it was the tactical vote in my seat to stop the Tories retaining it. My instinct was to vote greens. I suspect that was a big reason for the low turnout.
And the collapse of the Tories. So what?
The magic words: Labour won.
Thing is Farage, Lowe, Tice will now have to start playing by some rules. They won't be able to mouth off like they used to.
He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.…so he made immigration the party’s main issue, not tax.
Don't think Farage will last 12 months.It’s never stopped Lee Anderson!
I think he's actually more concerned with the amount of people coming into the country and the effect that's having on the already underfunded infrastructure and services etc.Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services
it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years
You could be forgiven for thinking he wants all the immigrants kicked out based on how he speaks. His politics are abhorrent.He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.
Don't think Farage will last 12 months.
Yes, but unfortunately not many people get it.He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.
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