Do you want to discuss boring politics? (149 Viewers)

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The heavens have already given us their verdict.
Miserable weather, pissing down.

But clearing just as Sir Keir will be speaking

 

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[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Can we afford sunshine? Hadn't we better check with Rachel and her fiscal rules?

 

[Sick Boy]

I really would underestimate Farage. Essentially 4 million people voted purely for him.

Brexit occurred due to him and in many northern red walk seats he is now the opposition

This is why I think he’ll ultimately end up in the Conservatives.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I really would underestimate Farage. Essentially 4 million people voted purely for him.

Brexit occurred due to him and in many northern red walk seats he is now the opposition

Did you mean wouldn’t underestimate?

In which case, I’d agree it’s foolish to underestimate him. He cuts through to voters who traditionally would be Labour voters with conservative ideas.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Farage is already getting far too much air time and he sounds like he will be a menace in the already lawless parliament

 

[David O'Day]

Brilliant result for Labour as this should of been impossible given the position the party was in in 2019.

Lot's for Labour to think about though, particularly how we mean bridges with the muslim community.

Do actually feel for reform, 4 seats is not a lot for the amount of votes but hey the right didn't support us when we tried for a version of pr in that referendum

 

[eyesee]

what a night. sat up and watched it all.

two thirds of the seats, but only one third of the votes. not good.
as clear an indication as ever that the electoral system in this country is very unfair.

 

[Grendel]

Did you mean wouldn’t underestimate?

In which case, I’d agree it’s foolish to underestimate him. He cuts through to voters who traditionally would be Labour voters with conservative ideas.

Yes I meant wouldn’t

 

[Liquicon]

what a night. sat up and watched it all.

two thirds of the seats, but only one third of the votes. not good.
as clear an indication as ever that the electoral system in this country is very unfair.

On the flip side, Reform has got about 14% of the total vote but only 4 seats. So it's not all bad!

 

[eyesee]

On the flip side, Reform has got about 14% of the total vote but only 4 seats. So it's not all bad!

then they should have more seats. it's called democracy.
don't get me wrong, i'm no fan of them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Do we get a prayer for the new government today?

They’ve stopped
I could make one up

lord
Please give keir and his cabinet wisdom beyond their human capabilities.
please help us seek the common good and work for all those things that as a society we need more than any other
Amen

 

[MalcSB]

They’ve stopped
I could make one up

lord
Please give keir and his cabinet wisdom beyond their human capabilities.
please help us seek the common good and work for all those things that as a society we need more than any other
Amen

Thank you.
And one for the vanquished?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Unless he's successful of course!

Yeah he’s only won the opportunity to earn the peoples respect
Don’t fuck it up please

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I had one look through Reforms policies, realised how unaffordable it was and didn't read again. I cant believe over 4million people fell for it.

 

[fatso]

Farage is already getting far too much air time and he sounds like he will be a menace in the already lawless parliament

Surely if the parliament is already lawless it absolutely NEEDS a menace!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Brilliant result for Labour as this should of been impossible given the position the party was in in 2019.

Lot's for Labour to think about though, particularly how we mean bridges with the muslim community.

Do actually feel for reform, 4 seats is not a lot for the amount of votes but hey the right didn't support us when we tried for a version of pr in that referendum

No that’s absolutely right and it was a tiny step still a change is essential for the good of democracy in the land just don’t know what will work

 

[PVA]

Thing is Farage, Lowe, Tice will now have to start playing by some rules. They won't be able to mouth off like they used to.

They will absolutely try it though.

And then when they get reprimanded or suspended or something they'll be all 'Look, the establishment is against man of the people Nigel!!!'

 

[torchomatic]

They will absolutely try it though.

And then when they get reprimanded or suspended or something they'll be all 'Look, the establishment is against man of the people Nigel!!!'

Yep, that's their playbook. Like all the nonsense over the C4 thing.

 

[MalcSB]

Brilliant result for Labour as this should of been impossible given the position the party was in in 2019.

Lot's for Labour to think about though, particularly how we mean bridges with the muslim community.

Do actually feel for reform, 4 seats is not a lot for the amount of votes but hey the right didn't support us when we tried for a version of pr in that referendum

It really isn’t a brilliant result for Labour. The position in terms of proportion of the vote has barely improved from 2019 and the percentage of those eligible to vote who have voted Labour has actually decreased.

 

[PVA]

He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.

But has absolutely no idea how to do that.

And I'm not sure he really has any intention to, either.

 

[torchomatic]

then they should have more seats. it's called democracy.
don't get me wrong, i'm no fan of them.

Like football they play to the system and rules. It is what it is. No point complaining.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Thank you.
And one for the vanquished?

I’m human I can’t wish good on my enemies

Dear Lord
You say love our enemies and bless those who persecute us. Wtaf were you thinking? How can this counterculture idea become a reality when you’ve given people who live with us such different and often contradictory views and opinions.
You know how naive I am but for all parties please give them wisdom to pursue politics of honesty and transparency. Politics that’s honouring and respectful.
That parliament and those that are elected would have a commitment to serving the public over party politics and ego
That’s my prayer this morning
Amen

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You could be forgiven for thinking he wants all the immigrants kicked out based on how he speaks. His politics are abhorrent.

Not when he makes it clear he wants immigration reduced , not stopped.
Unless you have evidence to backup what you say.

 

[eyesee]

one thing i will say about farage - he had the balls to set up a separate party, when he realised his views were so far from where the tories were at the time. corbyn just tried to hijack the labour party with his momentum group.
the problem is, bar a couple of individuals, momentum are still party of labour. they are as split as the tories, they just had the sense to keep a lid on it for a while. but it will all come flooding out again soon enough.

 

[PVA]

It really isn’t a brilliant result for Labour. The position in terms of proportion of the vote has barely improved from 2019 and the percentage of those eligible to vote who have voted Labour has actually decreased.

Literally all that matters is winning the election, by as large a margin as possible, and that's exactly what they've done.

How can a huge majority be anything other than a brilliant result, to suggest anything else is just saltiness.

 

[eyesee]

Literally all that matters is winning the election, by as large a margin as possible, and that's exactly what they've done.

How can a huge majority be anything other than a brilliant result, to suggest anything else is just saltiness.

it worked well for germany in the mid 30s.

 

[Sick Boy]

I had one look through Reforms policies, realised how unaffordable it was and didn't read again. I cant believe over 4million people fell for it.

I think you probably managed to reel a few in with your Tommy march post.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If the Tories want to get back in they either have to make him go away or unite with him. Either way, Starmer only got 35% of the vote in England. I could genuinely see it being a one term government

Yeah, they didn't have to do anything else to win this election, but really need to show their competence now don't they.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not when he makes it clear he wants immigration reduced , not stopped.
Unless you have evidence to backup what you say.

He blames immigration for every problem under the sun.

 

[fatso]

You could be forgiven for thinking he wants all the immigrants kicked out based on how he speaks. His politics are abhorrent.

Just out of interest BSB, which of his policies do you find abhorrent?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He blames immigration for every problem under the sun.

There's enough n the language used, not just by him but by some of his acolytes, that I have no problem in dubbing them a racist party. The worst thing with it all is he actually stops an adult debate about immigration.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just out of interest BSB, which of his policies do you find abhorrent?

Let’s start with wanting to leave the ECHR

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Just out of interest BSB, which of his policies do you find abhorrent?

...brace yourself.

 

[fatso]

He blames immigration for every problem under the sun.

Well when you have 685,000 people arriving in the UK in 2023 (according to the net migration observatory) it's hardly surprising that the pressure on infrastructure becomes intolerable.
The NHS can't keep up, housing supply can't keep up, house prices escalate as demand rockets etc etc etc.

Farage isn't against immigration, but the numbers need to be managed to preserve our services.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Literally all that matters is winning the election, by as large a margin as possible, and that's exactly what they've done.

How can a huge majority be anything other than a brilliant result, to suggest anything else is just saltiness.

It's a great result for Labour but they've won it by effectively doing nothing and saying nothing.
They're in government because they're not the Conservatives.

I have no problem with that even though I didn't vote for it. The Conservatives got everything they deserved.