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[CCFCSteve]

None of their tax pledges stand up to any scrutiny and certainly not the sort of scrutiny a major party would get. Like the greens, they can get away with it given their current status but as they grow they'll be put more and more in 5he spotlight.
It's trussenomics and we saw how that ended.

This feels like the protest vote election

Up to the main parties to address the issues that caused this

ps will be interesting to see if any incumbent from covid/inflation period survives…Putin and Xi aside

 

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[ccfc1234]

The takeaway for me is how crazy our electrol system is. Labour with a vote share increase of 1.6% just won a landslide. They had 10% more of the vote share than the Tories and nearly quadruple the seats and Reform for all there issues got far more votes than the liberals but about 65 less seats.
The system needs to be changed so it is more representative otherwise I have concerns the turnout will only get lower as people think why bother voting in my area as its same old same old.

The Tory old school have traditionally been opposed to the idea as it suited them, I am curious if they will now change their stance as it seems like it might just suit them now!!

 

[MalcSB]

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I think after Johnson people wanted more than perceived charisma. Johnson was an empty vessel. Starmer isn't the most dynamic, but the country needs stability after the shitshow of the last few years.

Lets hope we don’t get the shit shows of another pandemic and that Russia doesnt invade a neighbour over the nex5 5 years.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Reform offered alot that they can't deliver knowing they'd be nowhere near power .. easy to promise when you know you will never have to back those promises up

Their goals were different to Labour and Conservative. These parties needed a plan for government. Parties like Reform and Greens, their goals are for realignment of the the right and left respectively.

As a party, they had an interesting policy on the NHS. Things like lowering tax for front line healthcare workers (lower than back office GPS/nurses), removing VAT on PHI and so on.

You underestimate them at your peril if you think it’s just immigration as their ‘single issue’. It’ll be a talking point for Farage because both Labour and Tory have failed voters on the issue.

 

[MalcSB]

I think after Johnson people wanted more than perceived charisma. Johnson was an empty vessel. Starmer isn't the most dynamic, but the country needs stability after the shitshow of the last few years.

I think people just didn’t want the Tories. They certainly haven’t flocked in droves to support Starmer’s Labour,

 

[Sick Boy]

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Lets hope we don’t get the shit shows of another pandemic and that Russia doesnt invade a neighbour over the nex5 5 years.

I have no doubt that Starmer would have managed both far better than Johnson.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

None of their tax pledges stand up to any scrutiny and certainly not the sort of scrutiny a major party would get. Like the greens, they can get away with it given their current status but as they grow they'll be put more and more in 5he spotlight.
It's trussenomics and we saw how that ended.

Exactly - it’s about realignment of the right because they’re an insurgent party. They’ve just won 15% of the popular vote.

Farage’s stated goal is to lead a hostile- takeover the tories.

 

[MalcSB]

Posted yesterday... Didn't take long

Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day

 

[skybluetony176]

It's strange but yeah, Labour massive majority yet it's on a knife edge.

You and Clint are a perfect example. They have to win disenfranchised Labour voters back to stand a chance of a majority at the next GE. Even I feel like I lent my vote to Labour as it was the tactical vote in my seat to stop the Tories retaining it. My instinct was to vote greens. I suspect that was a big reason for the low turnout.

 

[andrew.roberts]

Did Laura Kuensberg just say "it's pissing down" ? Sounded like it to me, but I'm a bit deaf !!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It really wasn’t their main pitch. Farage repeated countless times the idea that immigrants are the reason people are worse off.

Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years.

Rents and house prices are up, NHS waiting times are up and schools overcrowded. There’s multiple factors, no doubt net immigration being high as it is plays a role here. It’s an issue that consistently is a top 3 concern for voters so Farage would be stupid not to hammer home that point.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

So what other key note policies will Reform be championing over the next 5 years other than ‘blame the foreigners’

Blame the foreigners for what ?

 

[MalcSB]

I have no doubt that Starmer would have managed both far better than Johnson.

You can’t possibly know that. Starmer wanted to extend lock down which would have caused even more damage to the economy. Who knows what his stance on Ukraine would have been.
People of on here have been expecting a basic level of competence from the new Labour government. I would suggest that the major events of the past 5 years required more than that - and I am not suggesting that the Tories necessarily provided it.

 

[Ian1779]

Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters.

If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.

I think you’re being generous in that suggestion. Farage is always going to Farage, he’s literally based his entire career on the same rhetoric of stoking fear and intolerance for his own gain.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years.

Rents and house prices are up, NHS waiting times are up and schools overcrowded. There’s multiple factors, no doubt net immigration being high as it is plays a role here. It’s an issue that consistently is a top 3 concern for voters so Farage would be stupid not to hammer home that point.

The immigration issue will gain huge traction if it isn't reduced soon. That's democracy.
What is happening in France may well happen here otherwise.

 

[Ian1779]

Blame the foreigners for what ?

Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services

it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years

 

[Grendel]

Corbyn holding shows something..

Bizarrly more people voted for Corbyn in 2019 than Starmer has in this election

 

[Sick Boy]

You can’t possibly know that. Starmer wanted to extend lock down which would have caused even more damage to the economy. Who knows what his stance on Ukraine would have been.
People of on here have been expecting a basic level of competence from the new Labour government. I would suggest that the major events of the past 5 years required more than that - and I am not suggesting that the Tories necessarily provided it.

Johnson completely messed up the response to the pandemic and didnt take it seriously until it was too late. I also can’t imagine Starmer coming out with something like “let the bodies pile high”.

Johnson was a disgrace as PM.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I think you’re being generous in that suggestion. Farage is always going to Farage, he’s literally based his entire career on the same rhetoric of stoking fear and intolerance for his own gain.

So what do labour need to do to ensure Farage doesn't increase his popularity forthwith?

 

[torchomatic]

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Lets hope we don’t get the shit shows of another pandemic and that Russia doesnt invade a neighbour over the nex5 5 years.

I don't think Starmer will look at it as a way of making money for himself and his mates. I'm sure he wouldn't want the bodies to "pile high".

You can't compare Starmer with Johnson.

 

[torchomatic]

Bizarrly more people voted for Corbyn in 2019 than Starmer has in this election

And he lost.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services

it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years

And 4.5 million people went with it. Are they all ignorant racists ?

 

[Grendel]

And he lost.

And Labour principally won because of the rise of Reform

 

[torchomatic]

Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services

it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years

Thing is Farage, Lowe, Tice will now have to start playing by some rules. They won't be able to mouth off like they used to.

 

[torchomatic]

And Labour principally won because of the rise of Reform

And the collapse of the Tories. So what?

The magic words: Labour won.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years.

Rents and house prices are up, NHS waiting times are up and schools overcrowded. There’s multiple factors, no doubt net immigration being high as it is plays a role here. It’s an issue that consistently is a top 3 concern for voters so Farage would be stupid not to hammer home that point.

…so he made immigration the party’s main issue, not tax.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You and Clint are a perfect example. They have to win disenfranchised Labour voters back to stand a chance of a majority at the next GE. Even I feel like I lent my vote to Labour as it was the tactical vote in my seat to stop the Tories retaining it. My instinct was to vote greens. I suspect that was a big reason for the low turnout.

I voted Green and Twat Western comfortably held his seat anyway, not sure Starmer really cares about the disenfranchised.

Like Gareth Southgate he won, so the shit performance on the pitch is ignored.

 

[Grendel]

And the collapse of the Tories. So what?

The magic words: Labour won.

They did but unless they deliver the status quo will return

The political system doesn’t allow minority parties show reform will not hold it together and the Lib Dem result is pretty bizarre given they had no improvement in vote share

 

[Grendel]

Thing is Farage, Lowe, Tice will now have to start playing by some rules. They won't be able to mouth off like they used to.

It’s never stopped Lee Anderson!

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

…so he made immigration the party’s main issue, not tax.

He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.

 

[torchomatic]

It’s never stopped Lee Anderson!

Don't think Farage will last 12 months.

 

[fatso]

Lack of infrastructure
Lack of affordable housing
Lack of access to services

it’s the Farage way and he’s been doing it for 20 years

I think he's actually more concerned with the amount of people coming into the country and the effect that's having on the already underfunded infrastructure and services etc.

But to thick fucks without the brain cells to understand that, he's just a mouthy racist.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.

You could be forgiven for thinking he wants all the immigrants kicked out based on how he speaks. His politics are abhorrent.

 

[Grendel]

Don't think Farage will last 12 months.

I really would underestimate Farage. Essentially 4 million people voted purely for him.

Brexit occurred due to him and in many northern red walk seats he is now the opposition

 

[fatso]

He wants immigration reduced. He doesn't want it stopped. He's made that clear.

Yes, but unfortunately not many people get it.