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[Grendel]

I'd love to know what his thoughts were.

University students back home so voting in more conservative seats, so less influence on results?

With his knowledge of football, maybe he was expecting England to be taking the Euros by storm and he could ride the wav of Euphoria(!)

Overall though he's managed to top May's campaign for ineptitude really - right from the beginning it's been shockingly bad!

The real stupidity was it allowed Farage to get a voice back. If he’d left it he’d have gone off to toddle after Trump in his presidential campaign

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

The real stupidity was it allowed Farage to get a voice back. If he’d left it he’d have gone off to toddle after Trump in his presidential campaign

I dunno still think his ego would have found a way in whenever it was held.

BBC commentator basically blaming Johnson and Truss for this, and they're mostly right really aren't they. The baffling thing with Sunak's term is his USP was he was sane if dull and geeky, but somehow he jumped in with the extreme rhetoric at times so looked utterly mad!

 

[shmmeee]

That's very true, but ... the problem is that consecutive government's only look at the short term, ie, immigration leads to growth, and it can do in the very short term.

Long term it leads to collapse of services and infrastructure, shortages of housing, house price inflation, and ultimately the end of the NHS which will eventually have to be replaced by some form of private medical care system.

Does it?

What should we reduce the population to to be sustainable, do you think? How come we can’t have more than that but other countries can be ten or twenty times our size?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The baffling thing with Sunak's term is his USP was he was sane if dull and geeky, but somehow he jumped in with the extreme rhetoric at times so looked utterly mad!

And now his leaving speech promotes tolerance etc. Why on earth did he go the way he did...?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Funnily enough, Farage’s big pitch was to turn the clock back to 1997 (tongue in cheek). Taxation, net migration and public services back to levels seen before Blair became PM.

Immigration would be main appeal for ‘red wall’ areas and taxation a focus in attracting ‘blue wall’ support. Calling them a single issue party is reductive and wrong.

How many people voted for them because of tax as opposed to immigration?

 

[Grendel]

How many people voted for them because of tax as opposed to immigration?

The people in the areas where it mattered to them

 

[chiefdave]

You all been on speed through the night or something? Anybody slept?

Starting to wonder if I'm the only one on this thread that has a job to go to

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Starting to wonder if I'm the only one on this thread that has a job to go to

Was sad enough to take the day off as leave

 

[SBAndy]

And now his leaving speech promotes tolerance etc. Why on earth did he go the way he did...?

Because I think that’s fundamentally what he believes in. You could tell with his speech on Farage’s comments about him “not understanding the culture” or whatever it was. I think he’s been dragged to a place he didn’t really feel comfortable by the party dynamics.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Starting to wonder if I'm the only one on this thread that has a job to go to

Election day itself probably should be a bank holiday tbf

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well when you have 685,000 people arriving in the UK in 2023 (according to the net migration observatory) it's hardly surprising that the pressure on infrastructure becomes intolerable.
The NHS can't keep up, housing supply can't keep up, house prices escalate as demand rockets etc etc etc.

Farage isn't against immigration, but the numbers need to be managed to preserve our services.

He only wants the relatively small amount of dinghy’s stopped

 

[torchomatic]

Starting to wonder if I'm the only one on this thread that has a job to go to

I took leave today. I always take the day off after an election. I lasted until 3.30am.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How many people voted for them because of tax as opposed to immigration?

If you have that breakdown, please do share. They got 15% of the national vote, that’s not indicative of a single issue party. That’s more than the Lib Dems!

Did you vote Greens purely on their environmental/net zero policy alone? I know my friends who voted Greens didn’t. To draw a comparison, calling the Greens a single issue party is equally misguided.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Because I think that’s fundamentally what he believes in. You could tell with his speech on Farage’s comments about him “not understanding the culture” or whatever it was. I think he’s been dragged to a place he didn’t really feel comfortable by the party dynamics.

Well yes. It goes bak to though that his USP was he wasn't the pair who came before him... and he allowed himself to take on some of their trappings.

In a certain way a bit like Brown allowed himself to be made to act like Blair, when the whole popularity of Brown hinged at that point on the fact he wasn't actually Blair!

We see it with quite a lot of them really. You hear their speeches at election nights and many of them (not all!) seem vaguely human, and you can see why they're where they are. Then they go and let all personality be coached out of them and allow someone like Farage to sneak in with an 'authentic' voice.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you have that breakdown, please do share. They got 15% of the national vote, that’s not indicative of a single issue party. That’s more than the Lib Dems!

Did you vote Greens purely on their environmental/net zero policy alone? I know my friends who voted Greens didn’t. To draw a comparison, calling the Greens a single issue party is equally misguided.

The Green leaders spoke a lot more about economic justice than the environment which is why they ultimately got my vote. I only ever heard Farage blaming foreigners for the country’s problems.

 

[Grendel]

Literally all that matters is winning the election, by as large a margin as possible, and that's exactly what they've done.

How can a huge majority be anything other than a brilliant result, to suggest anything else is just saltiness.

I voted Green in the end so it’s hardly saltiness. Conservatives have always been rather good at winning elections and it didn’t make a good government.

Although everyone laughs at Ed Davey he had the best campaign of all as he didn’t improve share of vote and total numbers fell but he ended up with massive gains.

I decided I had to in the end either vote green or reform to make point and couldn’t go reform so that’s where I went.

Starmer would still be PM under a revised system but would of had to work with other parties - now the likelihood is he will fail on his promises and the revolving door will go again in 5 years

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Sunak really was rather stupid to call the election when he did

His biggest disappointment was holding his Harrogate seat.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

His biggest disappointment was holding his Harrogate seat.

It ain't Harrogate.

 

[Grendel]

His biggest disappointment was holding his Harrogate seat.

I think you are correct

He isn’t a politician really - I suspect Starmer will have little stomach for it either

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I took leave today. I always take the day off after an election. I lasted until 3.30am.

Got till 5am not particularly productive currently but am spending the afternoon in the prison so won’t need to be too aware or awake

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Got till 5am not particularly productive currently but am spending the afternoon in the prison so won’t need to be too aware or awake

Always knew your fashion sense would land you in trouble

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Got till 5am not particularly productive currently but am spending the afternoon in the prison so won’t need to be too aware or awake

Lying back and thinking of England?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

It ain't Harrogate.

correct N Yorks. Thanks NW

 

[Deleted member 5849]

correct N Yorks. Thanks NW

The inlaws' constituency. No doubt you'll be delighted that they vote Tory...

 

[fernandopartridge]

Was about to post the same.... kier the nowhere man has managed to increase labour's share of the vote by a huge 1.6% since their worst showing in 2019....

Less votes than 2019, but i guess that's our electoral system really.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The Green leaders spoke a lot more about economic justice than the environment which is why they ultimately got my vote. I only ever heard Farage blaming foreigners for the country’s problems.

There you go…

I laboured to listen to a few manifesto launches and Reform made an effort to talk more on the economy and tax. On the NHS, they had some creative policies too such as abolishing basic tax for nurses and GPs. Of course immigration was a main topic, as it is for the electorate as a whole. It has consistently been a top 3 issue at elections since 2005 and you may not think numbers are too high, but that’s a minority view according to polls.

It’s clearly a salient issue, rightly or wrongly. Labour could come unstuck if they don’t make good on their promise to reduce net migration.

 

[chiefdave]

We used to have 4 working people to every retired person, now it's 3 and soon it will be 2.

My last job was working from home and it was pretty shocking to me how many people in my area are around in the day and clearly not working, and not just those that are retired. And they definately weren't people who were working from home as they were never working!

Remember looking up some stats and 1 in 4 working age people don't work which is pretty crazy when there's basically full employment and plenty of sectors with staff shortages.

 

[torchomatic]

A cabinet that will be up to 90% educated at a comprehensive school. Refreshing.

 

[Grendel]

A cabinet that will be up to 90% educated at a comprehensive school. Refreshing.

Starmer I assume being one of the 10%

 

[fernandopartridge]

A cabinet that will be up to 90% educated at a comprehensive school. Refreshing.

Shame it's the likes of Wes fucking Streeting though

 

[shmmeee]

There you go…

I laboured to listen to a few manifesto launches and Reform made an effort to talk more on the economy and tax. On the NHS, they had some creative policies too such as abolishing basic tax for nurses and GPs. Of course immigration was a main topic, as it is for the electorate as a whole. It has consistently been a top 3 issue at elections since 2005 and you may not think numbers are too high, but that’s a minority view according to polls.

It’s clearly a salient issue, rightly or wrongly. Labour could come unstuck if they don’t make good on their promise to reduce net migration.

They made up a huge number with the central bank policy then promised to give it away to people.

 

[torchomatic]

Shame it's the likes of Wes fucking Streeting though

Well, like many I don't like them all.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

A cabinet that will be up to 90% educated at a comprehensive school. Refreshing.

Yep not mentioned because they are all the same

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Shame it's the likes of Wes fucking Streeting though

If the Labour government disappoints people like you, it’s possible that the Greens could start cannibalising Labour’s vote share in a similar way to Reform in future elections.

What was impressive about their performance last night was that they won in both Labour and Tory areas.

 

[Grendel]

David Lammy of course is another of the 10%