It's an Internet meme. I wouldn't expect someone who posted this gif earlier to understand.
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It's an Internet meme. I wouldn't expect someone who posted this gif earlier to understand.
chiefdave
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Same reason we have ROSCOs rather than buying our own rolling stock, same reason there's fuck all development by the TOCs - remember who paid for the station at the stadium. They won't pay for anything that cuts into their profit.
So they demand fully qualified and experienced drivers.
MalcSB
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Oh well, wil be nationalised in due course and everything will be hunkdory.
I guess the problem is that in the meantime there is no incentive for the operators to invest in anything.
MalcSB
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Anyone buying a modern car can see the amount if semi automation that is now in built. Adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, self drive through junctions and roundabouts, collision prevention, pedestrian avoidance etc etc.
I really should have said that, compared with automation of road traffic, the railway should be a piece of piss.
shmmeee
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Yeah I’m sure they were juuuust about to. No worries we’ve still got the great efficient private sector water suppliers.
MalcSB
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I do actually share your cynicism re: railway investment, but the nationalisation agenda must be the final nail in that particular coffin.
Water should never have been privatised. It does piss me off how they have paid significant dividends to investors and then plead poverty when it comes to cleaning up their act.
MalcSB
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Reeves was lying about the inherited economic position being the worst since 1945:-
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Faisal Islam
Economics editor
The 0.7% growth in the first quarter and the 0.6% that followed are not a boom. But it is a welcome return to more normal growth, after three years of crisis. And at the same time, inflation figures have returned to more normal levels.
In 2024 so far, the UK has grown the fastest of all the G7 advanced economies, even more than the US.
While the picture is different over longer timeframes or if population growth is factored in, it raises reasonable questions about the “grim economic inheritance” claimed by the new government from its predecessor.
Why solid growth complicates the Budget masterplan
Faisal Islam
Economics editor
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4 hours ago
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The 0.7% growth in the first quarter and the 0.6% that followed are not a boom. But it is a welcome return to more normal growth, after three years of crisis. And at the same time, inflation figures have returned to more normal levels.
In 2024 so far, the UK has grown the fastest of all the G7 advanced economies, even more than the US.
While the picture is different over longer timeframes or if population growth is factored in, it raises reasonable questions about the “grim economic inheritance” claimed by the new government from its predecessor.
Begs the question doesn't it,why did he go for it, I'd wager it was to prevent the nutters from taking over, trouble is a new type nutter.Reeves was lying about the inherited economic position being the worst since 1945:-
Why solid growth complicates the Budget masterplan
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Faisal Islam
Economics editor
The latest data on the UK economy revealed it grew solidly between April and June, as it did in the previous three months. The figures clearly show a turning point in the spring as the UK continued its recovery from the brief recession at the end of 2023.
- Published
4 hours ago
The 0.7% growth in the first quarter and the 0.6% that followed are not a boom. But it is a welcome return to more normal growth, after three years of crisis. And at the same time, inflation figures have returned to more normal levels.
In 2024 so far, the UK has grown the fastest of all the G7 advanced economies, even more than the US.
While the picture is different over longer timeframes or if population growth is factored in, it raises reasonable questions about the “grim economic inheritance” claimed by the new government from its predecessor.
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
That’s the rumour.
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Labour can’t take credit for the growth to date in 2024.
Some sections of the press do not believe that the economy will grow under Labour: it is of course far to early to tell.
The point here is that Reeves lied about the state of the economy she had inherited to justify actions which weren’t in the manifesto and which Labour politicians had argued against before the election.
shmmeee
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Who cares who takes credit. The economy growing is never a bad thing for the government. Total Westminster brainworm to think otherwise.
Largely down to the BOE, as usual or will be intimately if they don't start cutting soon, currency still a little high IMO!
MalcSB
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Wonder what that looks like if you take immigration numbers out of it.
And that is 2023, the BBC is reporting best growth of G7 in 2024 following a brief recession in 2023,
MalcSB
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If nobody cares who takes the credit, then logically nobody should care who takes the blame if things go pear shaped. Certainly not the Labour messaging,
shmmeee
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You’re desperate to avoid the point I’m making huh?
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
The point is in 2023 the economy tanked. You’d hope there was growth in 2024. It’s not the sign of a strong economy. It’s a dead cat bounce.
MalcSB
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As are you avoiding mine, Reeves has lied and has used the lie to justify penalising pensioners and cutting infrastructure projects.
Or an alternative version….
Labour: our spending plans rely on growth and we shouldn’t have to raise taxes
Economy: grows strongly for two quarters and inflation back to normalish leading to BoE rate cut
Labour: we’ve inherited a big financial hole we didn’t know about so will have to cut some investment projects and reduce some benefits to pensioners
Press: but you’ve just authorised a load of above inflation public sector pay rises without any strings such as future work practice efficiencies or no strike clause in the short term
Labour: it’s all about the financial black hole baby…oh and we can’t rule out a few sneaky tax rises in October either
ps excuse some artistic licence on timings
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Or an alternative version….
Labour: our spending plans rely on growth and we shouldn’t have to raise taxes
Economy: grows strongly for two quarters and inflation back to normalish leading to BoE rate cut
Labour: we’ve inherited a big financial hole we didn’t know about so will have to cut some investment projects and reduce some benefits to pensioners
Press: but you’ve just authorised a load of above inflation public sector pay rises without any strings such as future work practice efficiencies or no strike clause in the short term
Labour: it’s all about the financial black hole baby…oh and we can’t rule out a few sneaky tax rises in October either
ps excuse some artistic licence on timings
In what way are the pay rises above inflation?
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
What lie?
Look around you. What’s working? Prisons? Schools? Transport? Anything?
The Tories have avoided governing for four years. The economy having growth after tanking doesn’t change that. Don’t just repeat what you read in the papers.
Current year and likely future for train divers. I’ve actually got no issue with the pay rises themselves but not to put a couple of conditions/pre conditions in is unwise
MalcSB
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A contractual requirement to work on Sundays would be a start.
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
The lie that the economy is worse than at any time since the end of the Second World War.
If what she wants to do is give pay awards greater than current inflation with no productivity or modernisation conditions then own it and admit the consequences for taxpayers. Don’t lie that the state of the economy has come as a surprise - if anything has come as a surprise to her it is probably the strength of the economic recovery.
Im all for workers rights and making sure people aren’t mistreated but some of the below were hardly ‘workhouse rules’ and may actually make the whole service run better
The rail industry makes offer to ASLEF to drive up performance for passengers | Rail Delivery Group News
News from Rail Delivery Group
MalcSB
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The cheek of wanting staff to use tablets and smart phones within their slave labour pay rate of £69,000 p.a..Im all for workers rights and making sure people aren’t mistreated but some of the below were hardly ‘workhouse rules’ and may actually make the whole service run better
The rail industry makes offer to ASLEF to drive up performance for passengers | Rail Delivery Group News
News from Rail Delivery Groupmedia.raildeliverygroup.com
Brighton Sky Blue
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You’re annoyed at what, some above inflation pay rises after 14 years of real term pay cuts?
There is some Brexit underperformance that has to be accounted for £40B a year,so a net difference of 20-30B doesn't seem to wild really?
MalcSB
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If you read what I posted, it’s the lies I’m annoyed about. Take whatever decisions you see fit, but don’t blame the worst economic performance since the Second World War for the consequences on other sectors of the economy, when it simply isn’t the truth - and was clearly the intention before the election.
TBH the train drivers offer is fucking barking and without any agreements on modernised working practices.