Grendel
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20%? Thats the same amount of the population that voted Labour
LOL Reddit. Is it 2014?
Mate i get rhat fornyou and your mates brown people existing is the most pressing concern in the country. But most people just aren’t that bothered by a Palestinian or BLM march. This is exclusive to GB News and the Mail, 20% of the population max.
LOL Reddit. Is it 2014?
Mate i get rhat fornyou and your mates brown people existing is the most pressing concern in the country. But most people just aren’t that bothered by a Palestinian or BLM march. This is exclusive to GB News and the Mail, 20% of the population max.
I’ve worked at numerous private companies and not once have they tried to link productivity or any other objectives to inflationary pay rises.
I did work at one place where they decided to more closely monitor how much work people were doing as a means to push them to do more. Within 6 months over 50% of the staff had quit and the company was on the verge of collapse. Ended up being taken over on the cheap by a rivial.
Collective bargaining is how these nasty unions get the better terms and conditions their members otherwise would not get. Labour didn’t give any of the unions the pay awards they actually wanted FYI-but it did end the strikes.
Are you drunk? You can't even write properly and you've gone into full on leftie mode.
'Oh no, maybe he has a point. Quick, let's pull out the racism card and shut it down before I get more humiliated'.
What an utterly embarrasing post.
Where did I mention ruining the economy ?
Someone from BMA basically indicated they might just strike next year instead though. This is after striking on the lead up to the election when nobody could agree anything with them anyway (a scummy move in my book).
Collective agreements are also very different to individual pay awards. In the private sector it wouldn’t be unreasonable to agree objectives/goals for an individual and if these were met then they’d warrant pay rises, promotions etc the following year. you could argue these are a different form of conditionality
The Cameron government thought little about putting people into poverty in the name of saving a few pennies.I said I wasn’t passing comment on either but was just saying it’s not something Cameron would’ve done
I have said previously though that I don’t have an issue with the amount so much as the unconditionality of the agreements. A big error in my book and will lead to issues. I don’t think train drivers pay has fallen in real terms over the past 14 years either
I do agree that it’s out of Cameron’s playbook, blaming the last lot for tough decisions
Lets see what the BMA members say.
My bonus is linked to my performance objectives. Not my base pay. I’ve never worked a job where they cut your pay if you don’t meet performance targets. Seems ghastly.
I’ve never worked anywhere where pay has been cut but if you’re not doing your job then why should you get a pay rise ?
The Cameron government thought little about putting people into poverty in the name of saving a few pennies.
Which I find objectionable alsoIsn’t it estimated around 2 million pensioners will be dragged into fuel poverty to save the same money Starmer is spending on arming Ukraine “for as long as it takes”
You say its for Ukraine. Most say its to cover the train drivers pay rise.Isn’t it estimated around 2 million pensioners will be dragged into fuel poverty to save the same money Starmer is spending on arming Ukraine “for as long as it takes”
You say its for Ukraine. Most say its to cover the train drivers pay rise.
If you don’t get CoL rise your pay has been cut.
Do these businesses call up the electricity supplier and demand better electricity before paying inflationary cost rises there too?
Strange analogy but in response if my electricity supply kept cutting off I wouldn’t pay my bill or would expect a discount. If the service was poor I would move to a different electricity supplier.
As I said above, I get it, people on here agree with all unions and all their actions. Fair enough but I don’t. There’s one thing protecting members and making sure conditions are acceptable (100% what unions should do) but I’ve posted some of the suggested changes to train drivers conditions before and many were hardly workhouse rules as I said at the time. BMA have also done stuff I don’t agree with
Has train driver pay even increased with inflation?
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Can’t see exact figures but around £40k in 2011 with inflation is around £60k today.
Seems all the whining is that collective bargaining actually works and keeps wages from dropping in real terms.
What does Two Tier Kier mean? Because I was under the impression it means racists get arrested but asylum seekers don’t. Which is clearly bollocks. Everything is about asylum seekers with you lot. Get outside. Touch grass. Most people aren’t this obsessed.
sorry I’m not editing my posts. You’ll just have to deal I guess.
They hardly had a ringing endorsement to begin with in terms of the popular vote, and even those that did vote for them did so in many cases as the worst of a bad bunch.I suspect the two tier Kier stuff has a big part in it as well. I wholeheartedly agree the Tories had to go, but I don't see anyone can stand here and say Labour have started strongly. They seem to be pissing off just about everyone.
Why should there be any condition to maintaining your pay with inflation?Come on BSB, im not sure Cameron would’ve cut pensioners benefits and offered unconditional deals to a couple of unions as his opening salvo
Not passing opinion on either but no chance does that happen
Mate, you're all over the place. How can you not see a double standard going on? Pete is liking your posts, which just says it all. Mr Keir Starmer: 'I won't tolerate the break down of law and order'...
We've just had Notting Hill Carnival (the latest iteration) which has been a complete shit show. He's been completely silent, about as missing on this as you and your lefty band of fanatics on the stabbing thread after the last few islamic attacks.
I'm not the one that needs to go outside. It might not be 2014 but you are acting as if you get your benchmarks from reddit. keep going if you want, but it's embarrasing.
Why should there be any condition to maintaining your pay with inflation?
Why should there be any condition to maintaining your pay with inflation?
We have some pretty stringent anti union laws which have accumulated over a period of decades and are aimed at obstructing the rights to organise, collectively bargain, and yes go on strike.Strange analogy but in response if my electricity supply kept cutting off I wouldn’t pay my bill or would expect a discount. If the service was poor I would move to a different electricity supplier.
As I said above, I get it, people on here agree with all unions and all their actions. Fair enough but I don’t. There’s one thing protecting members and making sure conditions are acceptable (100% what unions should do) but I’ve posted some of the suggested changes to train drivers conditions before and many were hardly workhouse rules as I said at the time. BMA have also done stuff I don’t agree with
No, he’s just a bare faced liar with zero saving graces.His approval rating has sunk because he’s a Labour PM governing like newly elected David Cameron
Near in mind thatI’m being facetious, but Cameron took pleasure in taking a knife to public services and used ‘it’s worse than we thought’ as an excuse.
Giving public sector workers their first decent pay award in 14 years is an odd criticism given that their pay has fallen by much more in real terms in that time.
I don’t know how I have resisted calling you a twat for so long, but I have managed it.I don’t know how I’ve resisted saying you’re thick for so long, but here goes…
You’re thick.
On that basis, god knows how low his approval rating would have been without the riots,You think Starmers response to the riots wasn’t popular.
Even if that’s true, it puts him on a par with the last 3 of his predecessors.No, he’s just a bare faced liar with zero saving graces.
Strange analogy but in response if my electricity supply kept cutting off I wouldn’t pay my bill or would expect a discount. If the service was poor I would move to a different electricity supplier.
As I said above, I get it, people on here agree with all unions and all their actions. Fair enough but I don’t. There’s one thing protecting members and making sure conditions are acceptable (100% what unions should do) but I’ve posted some of the suggested changes to train drivers conditions before and many were hardly workhouse rules as I said at the time. BMA have also done stuff I don’t agree with
It was less than that as it was 20% of the electorate that voted Labour, not 20% of the population.20%? Thats the same amount of the population that voted Labour
On that basis, god knows how low his approval rating would have been without the riots,
The BMA have suggested to the “junior doctors” that they should accept this offer and bank it, and then be prepared for more industrial action next year.Lets see what the BMA members say.
My bonus is linked to my performance objectives. Not my base pay. I’ve never worked a job where they cut your pay if you don’t meet performance targets. Seems ghastly.
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