fernandopartridge
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Quite right, especially when this act of 'getting a grip on the finances' is followed up with more no hope austerity
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Quite right, especially when this act of 'getting a grip on the finances' is followed up with more no hope austerity
MalcSB
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And in 2017 they said 4,000 would die if the winter fuel payment was cancelled,
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SomersetSB
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Wasn't many of them if I recall.
Most on here who are of a left wing persuasion weren't enthused by him at all. it's just it was a slightly better option than the car crash that was the Tories.
If anything it should be the traditional Tories that are loving it - getting Tory policy without the lunatics.
Let's see when it comes in,the rise we'll get will cover it in April I think and it's possible to have a bill of £60 a month combined if you are careful and put a big woolly on, I can testify to this,£2.00 a day for a commodity we are told frequently told is scarce .
You're right though there's not much different between the two,f around and find out isn't it
You're right though there's not much different between the two,f around and find out isn't it
Nick
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Some were acting like it was a new dawn.
There seem to be plenty of lunatics in charge.
Still I'm sure some will be envious of pensioners or People who graft hard for their money and want it given to lazy cunts.
duffer
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I said it a while ago, if you commit to Tory fiscal rigidity, you get Tory government policies. Austerity. Always austerity, unless you're already rich, of course.
I genuinely hoped I was wrong, but Reeves really is a Thatcher tribute act.
If you keep squeezing the poor whilst ignoring the rich, then don't be surprised where it ends up in five years when things are no better. It's all just more grist to the mill for Farage and the far right charlatans.
All they've got to say is "they're all the same, vote for us", and it'll be hard to argue they're wrong. Grim times.
I genuinely hoped I was wrong, but Reeves really is a Thatcher tribute act.
If you keep squeezing the poor whilst ignoring the rich, then don't be surprised where it ends up in five years when things are no better. It's all just more grist to the mill for Farage and the far right charlatans.
All they've got to say is "they're all the same, vote for us", and it'll be hard to argue they're wrong. Grim times.
MalcSB
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If the rise pensioners will get in April, after this winter, has to cover the loss of the Winter fuel payment, what will cover all the other increased costs?
I find it hard to believe you manage on £2 a day in winter when the daily standing charge is about £0.93 a day.
Ian1779
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Just nationalise the whole fucking lot and scrap the standing charge for good. That’s what I’d do.
shmmeee
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Are the pensioners the lazy cunts here?
shmmeee
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Putting all silliness aside, the pension has gone up by more than the WFP which hasn’t risen with inflation, far fewer pensioners are poor and even fewer are in fuel poverty than when it was introduced. It’s bad politics but in reality nothing bad will happen and virtually no one will be affected.
duffer
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I beg to differ.
There are plenty of pensioners either just above the threshold for pension credit, or who don't know how to work through the complexities of claiming it, who will genuinely suffer because of this.
Just because you don't know them personally doesn't mean it's not going to happen. It's needlessly cruel, performative politics, and by a Labour government at that.
If the Tories were proposing the same thing, and Labour were in opposition, I doubt you or they would be quite as sanguine as to its impacts.
shmmeee
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It’s not about whether I know them. Their pension has risen by more than the WFP and the likelihood of them being in fuel poverty has reduced. That’s just the facts.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The other fact is that by going to a means tested system a few will fall through the cracks or still not quite manage. It will just take one death linked to this to horribly backfire.
Is it worth it for £1.4 billion?
MalcSB
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As I said, are pensioners exempt from all the other price rises?
shmmeee
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Well transport yes, housing mostly, they have lower calorie requirements than adults so food inflation hits them less.
MalcSB
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Pensioners will still pay increases in council tax and house insurance. They will still pay increases in fuel bills. If they have a lower calorie requirement they will already be eating less, so they will take the full effect of food price rises - so actually their outgoings will be affected proportionally by inflation.
Given that some pensioners may have to choose between eating and heating, I honestly can’t believe you are capable of making a comment about lower calorie intake. Not what I would expect from a socialist.
MalcSB
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Those slopey shouldered labour MPs.
Brighton Sky Blue
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shmmeee
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Walk me through how someone who eats less is hit harder by food inflation. Fascinating theory.
The poorest pensioner you’re talking about gets at least £12k a year in benefits.
Socialism isn’t about taking money from working people to hand to millionaires funnily enough.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He is known to frequent pork markets after closing hours I heard
No not really, there's another message here, I'm not sure what?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The message is that Labour think balancing the budget matters more than anything else
Or that this message is going through regardless, for another reason,they are not traditional labour that's for sure, obviously in my case which is not typical as I literally am going to pay £60per mth after increase, but very careful and probably a bit smelly as a consequence except when going out!
MalcSB
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You are embarrassing your self now mate, scraping the barrel whilst clutching at straws.
shmmeee
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The last resort of a desperate man. It’s OK if you don’t know.
Arms to Ukraine being one.
Standing charge is a con!
shmmeee
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I mean if we’re starting from scratch I simply wouldn’t let pensioners live in substandard homes, or for that matter allow privatised energy companies to price gouge. But in reality when all other benefits have been cut, and we’re talking about cutting services, if something has to go I’d rather it was a bung to millionaire pensioners than early years or schooling yes.
They should announce emergency funding but it should come with a promise to insulate the home of any pensioner in fuel poverty.
fernandopartridge
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How does inflation hit you less, it is relative to what you consume.
If food inflation is running at 15% your costs still go up by 15% whether you spend £50 a week or £100 a week and if you're on £350 per week state + private pension or £700 per week take home pay.
shmmeee
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Because food costs are a smaller percentage of your total spend. Same reason VAT is regressive because the poor spend more on goods and services as a percentage of their income.