The apprenticeships scheme is an absolute scam IMO. Subsidises firms to employ staff on less than minimum wage on the promise of non-existent jobs when the apprenticeship ends. My company now has about 50% of its client facing staff from this scheme, they've replaced full time, salaried positions. There's no training plan for them, they just have to google stuff and try and work it out for themselves. While they are nice enough people they have zero clue how to do the job so their work flows up the chain to my team.Imagine if Diane Abbot...
BBC said:Peter Cheese, chief executive of the CIPD, said: "On all key measures the apprenticeship levy has failed and is even acting to constrain firms' investment in apprenticeships and skills more broadly.
"It appears to have achieved the opposite of its policy objectives. Without reform it will act as a handbrake on employer investment in skills, damaging firms' ability to recover from the pandemic."
The apprenticeships scheme is an absolute scam IMO. Subsidises firms to employ staff on less than minimum wage on the promise of non-existent jobs when the apprenticeship ends. My company now has about 50% of its client facing staff from this scheme, they've replaced full time, salaried positions. There's no training plan for them, they just have to google stuff and try and work it out for themselves. While they are nice enough people they have zero clue how to do the job so their work flows up the chain to my team.
The cost of their education is paid to the FE college by the tax payer, a middleman company is paid by the taxpayer to run the apprenticeship schemes and their wages are also subsidised by the taxpayer. Who is benefitting from this?
At least in the industry I work in, and I suspect others are the same, it has reduced the number of people employed in actual jobs and has helped to suppress wages.
The apprenticeships scheme is an absolute scam IMO. Subsidises firms to employ staff on less than minimum wage on the promise of non-existent jobs when the apprenticeship ends. My company now has about 50% of its client facing staff from this scheme, they've replaced full time, salaried positions. There's no training plan for them, they just have to google stuff and try and work it out for themselves. While they are nice enough people they have zero clue how to do the job so their work flows up the chain to my team.
The cost of their education is paid to the FE college by the tax payer, a middleman company is paid by the taxpayer to run the apprenticeship schemes and their wages are also subsidised by the taxpayer. Who is benefitting from this?
At least in the industry I work in, and I suspect others are the same, it has reduced the number of people employed in actual jobs and has helped to suppress wages.
Don't see any reason you couldn't do what you suggest. There's already different terms for apprentices so thats not the issue.Interesting you say that, and I’ve heard similar criticisms over the last few years. Just thinking logically, could it be reformed so that companies have to pay up the wages and then get a grant once the employee is signed up to a full-time contract? Could it be that apprenticeship contracts could carry more employment weight than standard contracts to ensure employees are not immediately got rid of? I don’t know enough about employment law but surely there’s ways around this type of thing if there’s the will to.
Don't see any reason you couldn't do what you suggest. There's already different terms for apprentices so thats not the issue.
Whats minimum wage now, £8 something, apprentices are on £4.15 plus you get a grant (£1,000?) per apprentice. From what I've seen the system is designed to get people off the jobless figures and funnel taxpayer money into companies who manage apprenticeships.
Of course if you had to guarantee a job at the end the number of companies taking on apprentices would crash.
Don't see any reason you couldn't do what you suggest. There's already different terms for apprentices so thats not the issue.
Whats minimum wage now, £8 something, apprentices are on £4.15 plus you get a grant (£1,000?) per apprentice. From what I've seen the system is designed to get people off the jobless figures and funnel taxpayer money into companies who manage apprenticeships.
Of course if you had to guarantee a job at the end the number of companies taking on apprentices would crash.
The minimum wage is £4.20 an hour
You can't that's the point. People are recruited into the scheme on the promise of a job at the end that doesn't exist.Also how on earth can you ensure there is a job in 2 years?
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Think the youngest apprentice we've had was 18, the two who started last week (to replace two full time salaried employees who have left) are both in their 30s so paying £4.30 an hour, before any subsidy, is a lot cheaper than employing someone on at least £8.91 an hour although if you told a recruiter the salary for those jobs was £18K you'd be told you have zero chance of recruiting anyone.
You can't that's the point. People are recruited into the scheme on the promise of a job at the end that doesn't exist.
Not sure what you're trying to argue here to be honest. My original point was full time salaried staff being replaced by apprentices who aren't up to the job to save the company money. A one year apprentice at under £9K a year is far less than employing someone in a salaried position of £25K plus. Even if you employed someone on minimum wage, which as I said you wouldn't be able to recruit at that rate, it would still be over £17K so any way you look at it the apprenticeship is the cheap option.If the apprentice lasts into the second year you then have to pay the minimum wage do you not relating to that persons age?
That's exactly the point. These types of apprenticeships are pushed as having a job at the end of them, that job doesn't exist and as you say there is nothing to say the employer has to make any commitment to employ even a single person that passes through the scheme.You don’t have to make any commitment about a job in the future - many drop out of their own volition
Not sure what you're trying to argue here to be honest. My original point was full time salaried staff being replaced by apprentices who aren't up to the job to save the company money. A one year apprentice at under £9K a year is far less than employing someone in a salaried position of £25K plus. Even if you employed someone on minimum wage, which as I said you wouldn't be able to recruit at that rate, it would still be over £17K so any way you look at it the apprenticeship is the cheap option.
That's exactly the point. These types of apprenticeships are pushed as having a job at the end of them, that job doesn't exist and as you say there is nothing to say the employer has to make any commitment to employ even a single person that passes through the scheme.
The result is half the client facing workforce are apprentices, the company saves a decent chunk of change and those of us who do know what we're doing get more and more work piled on resulting in ever increasing hours in roles that don't get TOIL or overtime. Less trickle down, more flow up.
....By the time he leaves office he’ll be as despised as Blair. You heard it here first....
Wow, it turns out some Tories do have a conscience and a heart !
Boris Johnson risks shock defeat over ‘devastating’ foreign aid cuts | Politics | The Guardian
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...though Priti Patel certainly doesn't
Napier Barracks: Housing migrants at barracks unlawful, court rules
Six asylum seekers said Napier Barracks was "unsafe" and dormitory use caused a Covid-19 outbreak.www.bbc.co.uk
I'll put a price in for that after the fumigation has been done and don't mean that detrimentally to the inhabitants , it's just required more and more these days with the transient nature of tenants moving in out and on,next.I've stayed in barracks like these a few times whilst training in the forces
. worst thing about them is the separate showers away from the dorms .
I would never call living in them as a temporary solution as inhumane though , the judge however doesn't agree with me on that .
I don't have any idea if the Barracks has everything in working order either and I have no idea wether they are following the rules of maximum beds per dorm .
It is a difficult situation for any sitting government though, where do they go ?
We have them occupying the Coventry Hill as an example, which by the way needs a massive lick of paint .
We have housing waiting lists of years and years .
It is a difficult situation in all fairness
Things did get better though. The best government we've had in my sixty years. Admittedly the bar's been low, on both Tory and Labour sides. But for me, it was the best government.
It's in no sense an apprenticeship then, is it? It's a temp trainee.If the apprentice lasts into the second year you then have to pay the minimum wage do you not relating to that persons age?
You don’t have to make any commitment about a job in the future - many drop out of their own volition
It's in no sense an apprenticeship then, is it? It's a temp trainee.
The govt and previous ones have tied themselves in knots making commitments to arbitrary numbers of apprentices, employers don't really want them.
Back when I worked for the LSC / SFA there were spiv training providers claiming for non employed apprentices. It's a racket.
The govt and previous ones have tied themselves in knots making commitments to arbitrary numbers of apprentices, employers don't really want them.
Back when I worked for the LSC / SFA there were spiv training providers claiming for non employed apprentices. It's a racket.
I think part of the reason for the Employers Levy was to try combat both of those concerns, i.e. encouraging employers to engage whilst curbing the shocking misuse of public funds that occurred during the likes of Train to Gain.
But an even bigger problem is that the customer interest isn't there - going to uni is a far more attractive option.
Going back a few years ago, the mood music coming from Whitehall was that the Govt wanted to see a very significant reduction in those going to university vs. training, not least due to the cost of funding the university sector, yet I don't really see evidence of real change.
The problem possibly rests on having to put more money in now to make apprenticeships more attractive to both employers and apprentices, before transitioning the budget away from university funding. Change has to happen - by far the biggest channel for funding the sector is the effective subsiding of uni places through unpaid loans. That's currently running at over £9bn pa, and by 2025 is expected to be £22m, or four times higher than the cost when the Tories last came into office. The other problem is that having a right to a university seduction is very popular across the classes, and it's almost become a given like the NHS.
On the rare occasion that we try to replace someone who has left with someone that knows what they're doing we end up with a vacant position for months and a string of candidates who aren't up to the job. And you have management complaining they can't find anyone who is suitable.Jobs vacancies in the UK are soaring but there are not enough workers to fill them, a report suggests.
The easing of Covid restrictions and reopening of various sectors meant demand for workers rose at its fastest rate in May for more than 23 years, according to a KPMG survey.
But the number of staff available to fill those jobs declined at the quickest rate since 2017.
KPMG called on the government and firms to address skills gaps.
Workers were especially needed in IT and computing, which has been a long-term trend, as well as hospitality, the survey found.
I should note that I'm quite sure most won't want a right to education seduction, though they might want a right to a decent spell checker.
Why does the simple concept of supply and demand not relate to jobs? Makes me annoyed when I see articles on skills shortages like the one today on the BBC site.
On the rare occasion that we try to replace someone who has left with someone that knows what they're doing we end up with a vacant position for months and a string of candidates who aren't up to the job. And you have management complaining they can't find anyone who is suitable.
If there's such a shortage of people how come salaries have barely moved since 2010? Even if my salary had just risen in line with inflation since then I'd be £9K a year better off. Been hearing for years there's an IT shortage but the same crap wages are still offered with ever decreasing benefits.
Anyone that has booked anything without checking they are covered for alternations and / or cancellations only has themselves to blame.£100 to change my flight? Fuck the Tories!
Anyone that has booked anything without checking they are covered for alternations and / or cancellations only has themselves to blame.
Tory voters not paying attention to the details. Who could have seen that coming?Anyone that has booked anything without checking they are covered for alternations and / or cancellations only has themselves to blame.
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