In any case, I don’t understand how people think the government will magically make inequality disappear by investing in the public services.
To use a rather simplistic view of economics, you raise living standard by growing the size of the pie rather than divvying up more equally. The same could be said of public services, if there’s no growth, there will be a need for perpetual tax raises just to maintain current levels of services rather than improving them.
Won't someone please think of the boomers with 60 buy to let properties, it's about time they had some luck go their way
Only £812 better off for me. Fucking Rachel Reeves£1262.85 better off milky bars on me too
I’m not saying it’s not hard
No. That’s a narrative made up by certain sections of the UK press.Thing is, it's just pure spite and jealousy isn't it?
No. That’s a narrative made up by certain sections of the UK press.
It clearly is, you only have to see how people behave on here.
Fuckin LOL.
You do need to take account of the taxes paid and continuing to be paid by the indigenous population.You really should step out of these conversations. You think the cost of health and social care and pensions is close to putting an immigrant in a hotel
You do need to take account of the taxes paid and continuing to be paid by the indigenous population.
So immigration has had an inflationary effect in house prices.We’re not getting anywhere are we?
Read this the other day on immigration vs house prices. I’m inclined to agree: Fuck nuance. This current situation has lead to more information about the impacts and causes of various issues but nothing ever seems to improve.
Exclusionary complexity.
Hang on, you were suggesting that the costs of health and social care and pensions was more than the costs associated with the asylum system. It’s fucking obvious the point I am making, that indigenous people (regardless of colour) have and continue to pay taxes whereas the asylum seekers haven’t and don't.I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make here. Even if we kicked all the brown people out the country’s finances would still be fucked. This is about low growth, low tax, expensive public services particularly health. I know people don’t like seeing brown people but it doesn’t have to come up in every conversation.
OK so people aren't spiteful and jealous and the post I quoted with that isn't either.
Yep my kids university accommodationI assume all of you who are hundreds or thousands of pounds better off will donate that money to a worthy cause rather than squandering it on Milky Bars.
A) By and large, no I don’t think they are. I think it’s fair comment that the system we’re now in, of which the ‘boomer’ generation have largely benefited, is completely unsustainable.
B) I was actually laughing at your use of others’ behaviour as a means of justifying your point when you jump on here like a rabid dog talking about the cost of illegal immigration at any given opportunity. I get it, but I must have missed the Budget policy on upgrading hotel stays for asylum seekers.
The booker tag is just dumb to be honest.
Labour promised 'growth' to be on the top of their agenda. How is that being achieved exactly?Yeah yeah everything’s shit and nothing works. I know. That’s the story everywhere. So we’re fucked then? Or was there some obvious policy solution that’s been missed?
Government spending money on public services = government spending money into the private sector, i.e. the pie.
The pie does not increase by any other means other than banks creating credit, which of course has to be repaid.
Labour promised 'growth' to be on the top of their agenda. How is that being achieved exactly?
I'm not a Labour voter myself, but if I was, I’d be disappointed as many Labour voters are saying to pollsters.
How does that work out in your mind? The public sector has been growing significantly. Yet, their productivity is below expectations and of course economic growth is anaemic too. At best, the viewpoint you put forward is simplistic.
Glad that’s your key takeaway.
Hang on, you were suggesting that the costs of health and social care and pensions was more than the costs associated with the asylum system. It’s fucking obvious the point I am making, that indigenous people (regardless of colour) have and continue to pay taxes whereas the asylum seekers haven’t and don't.
This is nothing about people not liking the sight of brown people.
Well it is. If I was conceived 12 weeks later apparently I’d be a Gen X so I asssume would be a victim rather than a beneficiary
How do we do that, then?I’m generation X and I don’t feel like a ‘victim’, I see it as human nature at the time- if I was born earlier I’d probably have done just the same, we likely all would if we’re honest. It’s not a case of blaming and/or hating old people at all. What rankles is the refusal to accept that maybe things should change for the betterment of generations to come, as opposed to slamming the door on everyone else, continuing & protecting the flagrant self interest & then going around saying it’s the fault of the immigrants.
Yes, that’s a generalisation- but even going from here it seems to be a prevalent view.
I'm sure you can see the difference between the 2 situations.A) By and large, no I don’t think they are. I think it’s fair comment that the system we’re now in, of which the ‘boomer’ generation have largely benefited, is completely unsustainable.
B) I was actually laughing at your use of others’ behaviour as a means of justifying your point when you jump on here like a rabid dog talking about the cost of illegal immigration at any given opportunity. I get it, but I must have missed the Budget policy on upgrading hotel stays for asylum seekers.
I think what he’s getting at is that certain people bring immigration up on literally every single topic discussed, like it’s a silver bullet and the only issue facing the country, and if there was no immigration they’d be living the high life. Even the very basic difference between an immigrant and an asylum seeker is misunderstood in some of these posts.
No, you made the claim that putting money into the public sector grows the private sector.How does shrinking the public sector grow the economy? You tell me as it is what you are suggesting will happen.
Maybe because it's a fairly big issue so it's discussed when it's to do with politics.
Still, the fucking OAP bastards who worked hard. They are probably all racists too.
Maybe the blame rests with the pre-boomer generation. They got to retire at 65/60, bought houses for even less than boomers did and would have maxed out under right to buy. Their private defined benefit pensions schemes would not have been overly affected by Brown’s tax grab, unlike boomers for whom the private defined benefit pension scheme disappeared.
You keep missing the point.
Nobody is saying OAPs didn't work hard, the point is that people can work just as hard today and not receive the same benefits and opportunities.
I don’t disagree, but it certainly feels like boomers are being blamed.TBH it’s pretty counter productive and will end up with boomers becoming ultra defensive.first off, if the desire is to discuss rationally, perhaps the word “blame” should be removed from all this. And yes, undoubtedly this isn’t some masterplan that boomers came up with off their own backs, like I said this has been a long time building.
They are in this thread.I don’t disagree, but it certainly feels like boomers are being blamed.
So immigration has had an inflationary effect in house prices.
I don’t disagree, but it certainly feels like boomers are being blamed.
No, you made the claim that putting money into the public sector grows the private sector.
If that was true, with government spending and the number of public sector workers at its highest… where is the growth? Why is our tax burden the highest it’s been? The current environment undermines that central point you made.
Public services are delivering less and less (measured by productivity) whilst costing more and more. Who’s footing the bill? Primarily the private sector.
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