Do you want to discuss boring politics? (32 Viewers)

[MalcSB]

Thinking about the budget. I wonder if the thinking behind loading the tax onto particularly low wage employment is to try and drive up automation as they’re making full expensing permanent. Maybe just cope.

Let’s hope that social care, dentistry and general practice can all be automated.

 

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[Marty]

TBH I have seen many, many very large scale building developments around the couple of places I have lived over the past 6 years or so and I am sure there are quite a few boomers in those areas. Obviously not terribly successful at stopping such developments.

Perhaps developers should be required to include a higher percentage of affordable starter homes in their plans.

It is quite possible that many rental properties (student or otherwise) will come back on to the market. Thing is , like the right to buy experience, once they are gone they are gone and they probably aren’t in sufficient numbers to address the issue. Their return to owner occupier status will almost certainly see rents increase.

I live on a street with many HMOs for students, now all are housing asylum seekers, the street has gone massively downhill since they moved in and I expect it to get worse as loads are selling up and moving on. Litter everywhere, human shit in the street, it doesn't feel safe anymore and no chance will I let the missus pop to the shops on her own when its dark.

 

[shmmeee]

Who OBRs the OBR?

 

[Sick Boy]

The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for an all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.

To be fair that option was also being suggested by Leave before they actually won.

The EEA route would have been a fair compromise between the two side, left the country better off and wouldn’t have led to years and money wasted on it.

 

[MalcSB]

Who OBRs the OBR?

It could have been COBRA ( Checkers of Office for Budget Responsibility’s Arithmetic) except thats already been used. @fernandopartridge would have been Chairperson.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

I live on a street with many HMOs for students, now all are housing asylum seekers, the street has gone massively downhill since they moved in and I expect it to get worse as loads are selling up and moving on. Litter everywhere, human shit in the street, it doesn't feel safe anymore and no chance will I let the missus pop to the shops on her own when its dark.

More anecdotal racist claptrap from Marty. May be aluen to you but you might want to consider referencing proper research and evidence to inform your opinion. For someone who has made lots of mysoginistic jokes, good to see there is a caring side for your 'missus'.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Oh dear. The mask is slipping.

Deflection from the question again!
Been meaning to ask who you would go for in Tory leadership contest..... Bobby Jenrick or Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch ? Not allowed to sit on the fence as its going on the spreadsheet.

 

[MalcSB]

More anecdotal racist claptrap from Marty. May be aluen to you but you might want to consider referencing proper research and evidence to inform your opinion. For someone who has made lots of mysoginistic jokes, good to see there is a caring side for your 'missus'.

How is that anecdotal - he is describing his lived experience which requires no research on his part.

To challenge it, you would have to live on his street for a couple of weeks.

 

[shmmeee]

How is that anecdotal - he is describing his lived experience which requires no research on his part.

To challenge it, you would have to live on his street for a couple of weeks.

Just write out a huge post on my homeless mate who is a bit racist but also spends his life competing and losing out to recent immigrants for jobs and services. And generally agreeing with you.

Then I realised that I can be pedantic and this is the internet so I’m going to point out that a description of lived experience is literally what an anecdote is.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Who OBRs the OBR?

Just abolish it

What's the point in having ministers if they're subservient to a body that can't even get its sums right

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[Grendel]

Deflection from the question again!
Been meaning to ask who you would go for in Tory leadership contest..... Bobby Jenrick or Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch ? Not allowed to sit on the fence as it’s going on the spreadsheet.

Badenoch for me Charles. Who did you vote for?

 

[Marty]

More anecdotal racist claptrap from Marty. May be aluen to you but you might want to consider referencing proper research and evidence to inform your opinion. For someone who has made lots of mysoginistic jokes, good to see there is a caring side for your 'missus'.

You truly are an utter bellend. I didn't mention any one's race, that's you and your hatred for others shining through, again.

You insults dont bother me, only a few weeks ago you called me what was it? A far right trump lover because I grow my own food and pickle them.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I'm guessing schmeeee is on the edge of his seat at the moment.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I'm guessing schmeeee is on the edge of his seat at the moment.

I just looked at the CVs of these people, my god. Then you have Starmer on the other side. And over in USA you have Trump & Harris- what a truly, horribly bleak era this is.

… so the lady wins, someone who according to the BBC is “loved by right wing voters”

 

[MalcSB]

Just write out a huge post on my homeless mate who is a bit racist but also spends his life competing and losing out to recent immigrants for jobs and services. And generally agreeing with you.

Then I realised that I can be pedantic and this is the internet so I’m going to point out that a description of lived experience is literally what an anecdote is.

Thanks for the reminder of the literal meaning of an anecdote. I’d kind of got it in my head, wrongly, that skybluecharlie was meaning a third party anecdote.

It doesn’t require research though, does it.

 

[Grendel]

The racist old duffers in the Tory membership have elected the first black person to lead a uk political party

 

[Philosoraptor]

I wonder what the odds are for the next change of Conservative leader?

 

[Grendel]

I wonder what the odds are for the next change of Conservative leader?

Make is a wild card but I think will do pretty well

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I wonder what the odds are for the next change of Conservative leader?

I am not political at all, however my take would be that all she has to do is avoid scandal, avoid any embarrassing blunders, bang on about Brexit, bang on about immigration, look after old people- and she then sweeps to power in a few years. If she does that I don’t see any chance for Starmer, in my judgement he’s only there because even conservatives couldn’t handle any more sleaze, drama & embarrassing incidents.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Make is a wild card but I think will do pretty well

I'll be honest with you. I haven't followed this that closely.

My first thoughts are that one sits on the right whilst the other one moved over recently.

 

[chiefdave]

Then you have Starmer on the other side.

Bet Starmer can't believe his luck. Wins a landslide based on little more than the government being terrible and now they've elected a leader who makes the last few leaders look sane and competent.

Struggling to see how her rhetoric will help them recapture the centrist votes they need to get back into power.

 

[Grendel]

Bet Starmer can't believe his luck. Wins a landslide based on little more than the government being terrible and now they've elected a leader who makes the last few leaders look sane and competent.

Struggling to see how her rhetoric will help them recapture the centrist votes they need to get back into power.

Well if everyone who voted reform in the last GE return and also the 4 million who didn’t vote now do?

 

[Philosoraptor]

I am not political at all, however my take would be that all she has to do is avoid scandal, avoid any embarrassing blunders, bang on about Brexit, bang on about immigration, look after old people- and she then sweeps to power in a few years. If she does that I don’t see any chance for Starmer, in my judgement he’s only there because even conservatives couldn’t handle any more sleaze, drama & embarrassing incidents.

Likewise, as close to an anarchist as you can get. Just think the intrinsic natures in Democracy are worth keeping, unfortunately the downside of this is having political parties.

 

[shmmeee]

Likewise, as close to an anarchist as you can get. Just think the intrinsic natures in Democracy are worth keeping, unfortunately the downside of this is having political parties.

If it wasn’t for democracy like minded people would never organise to achieve shared goals

 

[Philosoraptor]

If it wasn’t for democracy like minded people would never organise to achieve shared goals

The Kraken awakes....

 

[fernandopartridge]

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[shmmeee]

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Oh no. If Starmer calls a snap election we’re screwed.

 

[PVA]

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You were posting close polls during the election campaign and ignoring all the ones showing massive Labour leads, how did that work out?

HTSITYS

 

[PVA]

How dense are the Tory membership, their response to the country saying we're fed up of this shit is to give them more of the same shit. Genius.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How dense are the Labour government, their response to the country saying we're fed up of this shit is to give them more of the same shit. Genius.

Corrected

 

[CCFCSteve]

Corrected

Not sure you can class £40bn of tax rises and extra £30bn of borrowing, more of the same.

I have no major issue with either but I just hope that it’s spent wisely and the country sees some tangible benefit

 

[PVA]

Corrected

I don't remember the tories going after business, private schools, private jets, non doms etc

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not sure you can class £40bn of tax rises and extra £30bn of borrowing, more of the same.

I have no major issue with either but I just hope that it’s spent wisely and the country sees some tangible benefit

To be honest Steve I've kind of given up on hoping that the government can do me or the country much good. Certainly neither of these parties in their current forms anyway.

 

[Grendel]

I don't remember the tories going after business, private schools, private jets, non doms etc

nor pensioners or young people hoping for an inheritance from their parents pensions or workers who even the chancellor admits will face lower wage increases

 

[Nick]

Why do so many people struggle to see that business as in Amazon or Tesco is a completely different world to a small business with less than 10 employees?

It's all well and good people pulling their cocks off about private schools, employers and landlords being hit thinking it's going to make a difference to the elite people.

It's not, it's going to be Dave the electrician who's built a business and has a handful of employees. Isn't massively well off but put his kid into Henry's to do his best for them.

It's the same when people demand all of these rights like "full sick pay and maternity from day one". Have they ever run or worked in a small business or are they just used to working at a big company / councils etc.