Do you want to discuss boring politics? (44 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Better news than the Uni closing cos it’s skint. It’s the unis that have been asking for this since Brexit got rid of the foreign students.

Did they ask for increased costs on all people who work for universities?

 

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[chiefdave]

Labour didn’t. Last year on question time Phillipson said fees wouldn’t go up

At this point it would be only be news if they'd stuck to something they'd promised.

All very much same shit different day so far. They even got a bollocking from the speaker today for announcing policy in the media before parliament. Something we all complained about the previous government doing.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah it's all pesky Labour's fault that most universities are in deep shit

But they said increasing tuition fees wouldn’t happen.

Do you think universities will be happy the NI hike will hugely increase employment costs across the sector?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

At this point it would be only be news if they'd stuck to something they'd promised.

All very much same shit different day so far. They even got a bollocking from the speaker today for announcing policy in the media before parliament. Something we all complained about the previous government doing.

It’s like they’re on a mission to break the record for most seats lost in one term

 

[chiefdave]

Yeah it's all pesky Labour's fault that most universities are in deep shit

Irrespective of whose fault it is we've dug a hole we can't get out of easily.

There's 2.2m students attending university and 240K staff. If you cut things back to just degrees that are needed by various employment sectors what do you do with all the people that no longer have jobs or university to attend? That's before you even consider how much universities have physically expanded. What do you do with all those buildings. What about all the empty student accommodation that can't easily be converted into individual apartments?

 

[PVA]

But they said increasing tuition fees wouldn’t happen.

Do you think universities will be happy the NI hike will hugely increase employment costs across the sector?

Yeah I bet they're furious about that and absolutely delighted about what the tories have done to them in the last 13 years.

 

[PVA]

Irrespective of whose fault it is we've dug a hole we can't get out of easily.

Agreed. It's the fact it's suddenly all Labour's fault that is amusing though.

 

[Ian1779]

Yeah I bet they're furious about that and absolutely delighted about what the tories have done to them in the last 13 years.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah I bet they're furious about that and absolutely delighted about what the tories have done to them in the last 13 years.

Well Starmer said at the start of the year he’d abolish fees altogether. What was the plan then?

 

[PVA]

Were you this outraged at changes the last government made, that had a far greater impact on how much students will repay?

 

[Grendel]

He’s not answering the actual issue it’s another Labour lie - I wonder why

 

[Grendel]

Were you this outraged at changes the last government made, that had a far greater impact on how much students will repay?

Why are you suddenly ok when politicians lie?

 

[PVA]

Why are you suddenly ok when politicians lie?

I'm not.

I must have missed abolishing tuition fees being in the manifesto. My bad.

 

[Ian1779]

Were you this outraged at changes the last government made, that had a far greater impact on how much students will repay?

It’s quite possible to be equally outraged at the actions of the Tories, as well as yet another lie from Starmer.

Let’s be honest you’ll lap up any old shit he pumps out.

 

[PVA]

It’s quite possible to be equally outraged at the actions of the Tories

And yet...

 

[MalcSB]

But they said increasing tuition fees wouldn’t happen.

Do you think universities will be happy the NI hike will hugely increase employment costs across the sector?

They seem to have been able to do that with vice chancellors salaries with no help from anyone.

 

[Ian1779]

And yet...

Here you are making excuses for your guy.

You are the Supertanskii of this forum.

 

[PVA]

Here you are making excuses for your guy.

You are the Supertanskii of this forum.

And here you are hammering him at every opportunity, what's the difference?

A lot has changed since the pledge was made.

Politically it was the right decision. I know that's something you lot struggle to grasp.

 

[PVA]

I'd love for someone to point out in the manifesto where it says tuition fees will be abolished.

TIA.

 

[Ian1779]

And here you are hammering him at every opportunity, what's the difference?

A lot has changed since the pledge was made.

Politically it was the right decision. I know that's something you lot struggle to grasp.

Of course, young people don’t deserve the chance to make something good of themselves without being buried in debt.

 

[PVA]

Of course, young people don’t deserve the chance to make something good of themselves without being buried in debt.

Well ideally not, but how are you paying for that? Given the state of everything else in the country.

Which, again, goes back to 13 years of the Tories trashing everything, not Labour increasing fees by 200 quid a year.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

But Nick was talking about an electrician with an employee or two and saying he's the type of person that gets hit, when actually he'll probably be better off.

I hope so because that electrician with 3 other employees is me, I'll let you know this time next year if I'm any better off

 

[Ian1779]

Well ideally not, but how are you paying for that? Given the state of everything else in the country.

Which, again, goes back to 13 years of the Tories trashing everything, not Labour increasing fees by 200 quid a year.

Do we have to keep doing this?? You don’t run a country like a household, and even if we did - on the other thread you more than happy to throw infinite money at Ukraine without questioning the whereabouts of said finances?

 

[PVA]

I hope so because that electrician with 3 other employees is me, I'll let you know this time next year if I'm any better off

Without knowing exact details I can't say, but there's a chance you might be (but not by much!)

 

[MalcSB]

Irrespective of whose fault it is we've dug a hole we can't get out of easily.

There's 2.2m students attending university and 240K staff. If you cut things back to just degrees that are needed by various employment sectors what do you do with all the people that no longer have jobs or university to attend? That's before you even consider how much universities have physically expanded. What do you do with all those buildings. What about all the empty student accommodation that can't easily be converted into individual apartments?

Surely the buildings can be converted. Or used for asylum seekers.

 

[wingy]

I guess the £4 pounds a week has to be accounted for somewhere, but how much will 3% actually generate for them annually?

 

[PVA]

Do we have to keep doing this?? You don’t run a country like a household, and even if we did - on the other thread you more than happy to throw infinite money at Ukraine without questioning the whereabouts of said finances?

I happen to think global security is quite important, but we aren't literally sending money to Ukraine, that's not what aid/assistance is.

 

[MalcSB]

I guess the £4 pounds a week has to be accounted for somewhere, but how much will 3% actually generate for them annually?

There are 2,940,000 students which at £285 yields £838 million

 

[chiefdave]

Surely the buildings can be converted. Or used for asylum seekers.

Who is paying for this conversion? There's a reason developers are so keen on student accommodation, cheaper to built poor quality housing and they know they'll get a return in a shorter amount of time. They will then abandon it before a shit ton of work is needed.

When I lived in Portsmouth the local council wanted an underused student accommodation block converted into affordable flats and couldn't get any developer to touch it, the work to convert it was going to cost far too much compared to the return they could make.

Guess you could use it for asylum seekers but I thought we wanted to kick them all out?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Who is paying for this conversion? There's a reason developers are so keen on student accommodation, cheaper to built poor quality housing and they know they'll get a return in a shorter amount of time. They will then abandon it before a shit ton of work is needed.

When I lived in Portsmouth the local council wanted an underused student accommodation block converted into affordable flats and couldn't get any developer to touch it, the work to convert it was going to cost far too much compared to the return they could make.

Guess you could use it for asylum seekers but I thought we wanted to kick them all out?

It is my fear with the amount of student accommodation - in a couple of decades I fear we're going to have huge amounts of quite sizeable buildings that will be falling apart and be pretty much derelict.

Like having Brittania hotels all over the place.

 

[MalcSB]

Who is paying for this conversion? There's a reason developers are so keen on student accommodation, cheaper to built poor quality housing and they know they'll get a return in a shorter amount of time. They will then abandon it before a shit ton of work is needed.

When I lived in Portsmouth the local council wanted an underused student accommodation block converted into affordable flats and couldn't get any developer to touch it, the work to convert it was going to cost far too much compared to the return they could make.

Guess you could use it for asylum seekers but I thought we wanted to kick them all out?

Just thinking of potential solutions, albeit to a problem which won’t exist as people will still go to university.

Im sure you are right about the quality of buildings involved, but I guess the homeless would be more than happy with them.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There seems to be a hell of a lot of Nigerian students in the UK, Coventry University in particular. Not really sure how that works, or who's paying for it.

The education system in the UK is terrible at university level anyway. I got a degree whilst working a full time job and going out about four nights a week. Seems a lot more serious in many places on the continent.

 

[PVA]

There are 2,940,000 students which at £285 yields £838 million

And the NIC increase looks set to cost universities £370m, so I guess that answers your question @Grendel

 

[PVA]

The education system in the UK is terrible at university level anyway. I got a degree whilst working a full time job and going out about four nights a week.

Yep similar for me, though I was only working part time and just not bothering with lectures when I wasn't working!

 

[shmmeee]

There seems to be a hell of a lot of Nigerian students in the UK, Coventry University in particular. Not really sure how that works, or who's paying for it.

The education system in the UK is terrible at university level anyway. I got a degree whilst working a full time job and going out about four nights a week. Seems a lot more serious in many places on the continent.

The UK university system is world class and that’s why people will pay top dollar for it. Which answers your first question: the students are paying for it. Go and look in the car park at Cov uni if you want to know if foreign students have money (they do).