Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Universal social care and childcare would be fantastic, but good luck getting people in this country to accept doing what’s needed to make them reality. Both would be transformative policies

Social care is the biggie. Hugely expensive though.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

I think AI is already here

 

[shmmeee]

I think AI is already here

One day you’ll make the link between Corbyn getting roundly rejected for promising spending like there’s no tomorrow and Reeves getting picked as chancellor. Today is clearly not that day.

 

[MalcSB]

Ignore Malc. Its a form of bullying you are receiving. Relentless.

That’s how I have felt about it. I’m in a minority on here, unsurprisingly. But not every source is “dodgy”. I have even used Labour Lines as a source, despite me probably thinking that, in bias terms, that’s as dodgy as fuck. I do try to cross reference / triangulate. I do recognise that the Mail will have a stance. Presumably if they make things up, they will get challenged.

I think a fundamental problem here is that committed Labour supporters can see it all going tits up and are embarrassed and angry about it, and would shoot the messenger (me) whatever the source. They are saying I am inventing stuff to get angry about and then defend, say Starmer, with thoughtless dogmatic propoganda.

I am deeply pissed off about the constant verbal attacks on boomers / pensioners which is ageism and, I would say, a hate crime. Perhaps @Nick and other moderators should take some action on such posts.

 

[MalcSB]

I think AI is already here

Sounds like she is plagiarising again, but from Thatcher this time.

 

[MalcSB]

One day you’ll make the link between Corbyn getting roundly rejected for promising spending like there’s no tomorrow and Reeves getting picked as chancellor. Today is clearly not that day.

So institutionalised anti semitism had nothing to do with it?

 

[fernandopartridge]

One day you’ll make the link between Corbyn getting roundly rejected for promising spending like there’s no tomorrow and Reeves getting picked as chancellor. Today is clearly not that day.

Mate, she's not popular

 

[shmmeee]

 

[shmmeee]

Mate, she's not popular

Shell be in trouble in next weeks general election then.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Thatcherite shmmeee, you've lived in Bedworth too long

 

[MalcSB]

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Relevance. The lady in the second version clearly feels sexually harassed by “Labour’s” physical stance. Definitely more invasion of personal space.

Its not what they are saying, it’s the way they are saying it.

Who is inventing stuff now?

 

[shmmeee]

Relevance. The lady in the second version clearly feels sexually harassed by “Labour’s” physical stance. Definitely mor invasion of personal space.

Its not what they are saying, it’s the way there are saying it.

Who is inventing stuff now?

Just a meme bro. You have to admit if Starmer had announced the same thing you’d be in here being apoplectic right now.

 

[shmmeee]

Thatcherite shmmeee, you've lived in Bedworth too long

Just aware of what it takes to get elected and what the general public worry about when thinking of voting Labour. You can say she isn’t popular but her approach won a landslide sooo…

 

[MalcSB]

Just aware of what it takes to get elected and what the general public worry about when thinking of voting Labour. You can say she isn’t popular but her approach won a landslide sooo…

Her Lying approach. Won the last election but will lose the next one. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just aware of what it takes to get elected and what the general public worry about when thinking of voting Labour. You can say she isn’t popular but her approach won a landslide sooo…

Less members of the public voted Labour than they did 5 years ago

 

[shmmeee]

Less members of the public voted Labour than they did 5 years ago

Fewer firstly. And secondly so what? 2019 was a disaster for Labour. The aim of politicians is to get elected. Labour won a landslide. If we had a different electoral system a different strategy would be valid but we don’t so it’s not.

 

[shmmeee]

Her Lying approach. Won the last election but will lose the next one. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Better than losing both. And four years is a long time in politics. At this point in 2015 Milliband was ahead.

 

[Captain Dart]

The original letter would be interesting to see.

I wonder whether she has also written along similar lines to Starmer, Reeves and others who either don’t answer questions asked, or fail to appear at the House of Commons dispatch box when required ( e,g they have buggered off to China).

Reeks of channelling the climate scam.

 

[Skybluekyle]

Hopefully Musk and the American Right will stop harping on about the UK's perceived lack of freedom of speech now they wont even be able to go on TikTok from Sunday

 

[Captain Dart]

WTF has that got anything to do with it?
Most people had planned for their retirement, only to have the goal posts moved by various governments. Any Tory policy not reversed by subsequent Labour government so Labour not entirely innocents.

When losing an argument deflect.

 

[Captain Dart]

Whereas working age benefits never change?

From what I've been hearing Labour are about to make massive cuts to benefits to pay for their hare brained carbon capture schemes (etc., etc.) because the budget numbers are completely fucked up.

 

[Captain Dart]

Kemi Badenoch is impressively bad. Saying you want to means test the state pension when half your vote are pensioners is a choice.

Feels like a strategy to open the door for Farage & reform.

 

[Captain Dart]

One day you’ll make the link between Corbyn getting roundly rejected for promising spending like there’s no tomorrow and Reeves getting picked as chancellor. Today is clearly not that day.

LOL, do you really think that was the reason. Same deal with Truss, they weren't going to play ball with whoever really pulls the strings. And before you ask or imply I am promoting a conspiracy theory, I don't know, well above my pay grade as they say.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Fewer firstly. And secondly so what? 2019 was a disaster for Labour. The aim of politicians is to get elected. Labour won a landslide. If we had a different electoral system a different strategy would be valid but we don’t so it’s not.

You said there wasn't an election next week?

 

[shmmeee]

You said there wasn't an election next week?

There’s not. Labour will not be elected promising MMT style economics right now. Every time voters are polled their concern is about overspending. Similarly the Tories are nasty and have to pretend to care about brown people and the environment (or did until recently).

That doesn’t mean people like cuts and tax rises when they happen.

 

[shmmeee]

LOL, do you really think that was the reason. Same deal with Truss, they weren't going to play ball with whoever really pulls the strings. And before you ask or imply I am promoting a conspiracy theory, I don't know, well above my pay grade as they say.

You have far more faith in the competence of the people running the country than I do!

 

[fernandopartridge]

There’s not. Labour will not be elected promising MMT style economics right now. Every time voters are polled their concern is about overspending. Similarly the Tories are nasty and have to pretend to care about brown people and the environment (or did until recently).

That doesn’t mean people like cuts and tax rises when they happen.

They were elected in a landslide back in July. Yet the household economics stuff continues, or actually gets worse.

 

[Grendel]

One day you’ll make the link between Corbyn getting roundly rejected for promising spending like there’s no tomorrow and Reeves getting picked as chancellor. Today is clearly not that day.

Corbyn had more votes for that in 2017 than Starmer and Reeves. Log off man its embarrassing.

 

[MalcSB]

When losing an argument deflect.

As you have just attempted.

This government must be losing a lot of arguments, they are constantly deflecting.

How long before they wake up and smell the coffee we can no longer afford?

 

[chiefdave]

Just aware of what it takes to get elected and what the general public worry about when thinking of voting Labour. You can say she isn’t popular but her approach won a landslide sooo…

Personally not convinced the landslide was down to a detailed study of Reeves economic plans, for me it was more a 'get them out' result. Would say we'll see next time round but Badenoch seems intent on making them even less popular.

 

[MalcSB]

There’s not. Labour will not be elected promising MMT style economics right now. Every time voters are polled their concern is about overspending. Similarly the Tories are nasty and have to pretend to care about brown people and the environment (or did until recently).

That doesn’t mean people like cuts and tax rises when they happen.

Isn’t the leader of the opposition a brown person?

 

[MalcSB]

Personally not convinced the landslide was down to a detailed study of Reeves economic plans, for me it was more a 'get them out' result. Would say we'll see next time round but Badenoch seems intent on making them even less popular.

Not the hardest or least enjoyable task Badenoch will ever have, she is getting a lot of help from their inherent ineptitude and lack of competence.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

That’s how I have felt about it. I’m in a minority on here, unsurprisingly. But not every source is “dodgy”. I have even used Labour Lines as a source, despite me probably thinking that, in bias terms, that’s as dodgy as fuck. I do try to cross reference / triangulate. I do recognise that the Mail will have a stance. Presumably if they make things up, they will get challenged.

I think a fundamental problem here is that committed Labour supporters can see it all going tits up and are embarrassed and angry about it, and would shoot the messenger (me) whatever the source. They are saying I am inventing stuff to get angry about and then defend, say Starmer, with thoughtless dogmatic propoganda.

I am deeply pissed off about the constant verbal attacks on boomers / pensioners which is ageism and, I would say, a hate crime. Perhaps @Nick and other moderators should take some action on such posts.

I read the mail...sports section down the tube .Oliver Holt is too much politics imo.
The one thing I truly enjoy is Quentin Letts Westminster column. He writes most days now ,as you probably know, his insight into Parliament personalities is illuminating & always hilarious.
Hitchens pops up now & again but he has lost the plot with his obsession for a Lucy Letby re-trial.
Andrew Neil Saturday always worth a read : economically he has the current government as "na na na na fkin useless". Boris I tend to skip.

Us boomers ,we have had a wonderful life though haven't we ?
What a time to be born , I thank my lucky stars.
We nearly had it all !!

 

[SBT]

Isn’t the leader of the opposition a brown person?

..........no

 

[MalcSB]

From what I've been hearing Labour are about to make massive cuts to benefits to pay for their hare brained carbon capture schemes (etc., etc.) because the budget numbers are completely fucked up.

What a surprise.