Do you want to discuss boring politics? (9 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The quote I'd seen said "the best part of a decade" and to be fair to her, 6 years is the best part of a decade (i.e. the greater part). It's immaterial though anyway isn't it? Judge her on what she does not how long she said she'd worked somewhere.

Having worked in a similar industry I can assure you 5 years definitely feels like 10.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

In footballing terms do you want the player who has the talent to play for Man City but costs a lot and wants what he's worth, or the guy who's an electrician in the day and plays for Nuneaton, decent footballer, cares about his profession.

If the Man City guy doesn't get his offer, he doesn't go to Nuneaton, he goes to Saudi or the US. Similarly the prospective MP will work in the City if the MP salary doesn't stack up. They might be bothered and care but it's human to want to maximise earnings as no guarantee of reelection and like football could be a short career.

To be honest, if that person is that bothered by the money and can get it in the City, then I'd prefer them to do that instead. The objective for that industry is make money. It is not the objective of government.

Just because someone is a successful businessperson doesn't mean they'll be a successful, or even good, MP

Besides, MP's are largely the PR execs of a party/govt. It's the civil srervice where you want the actual brains.

 

[shmmeee]

To be honest, if that person is that bothered by the money and can get it in the City, then I'd prefer them to do that instead. The objective for that industry is make money. It is not the objective of government.

Just because someone is a successful businessperson doesn't mean they'll be a successful, or even good, MP

Besides, MP's are largely the PR execs of a party/govt. It's the civil srervice where you want the actual brains.

£90k is not a great salary for a professional job in London. Not just City workers but anyone in tech, legal, pretty much anything.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

£90k is not a great salary for a professional job in London. Not just City workers but anyone in tech, legal, pretty much anything.

Still puts them in the top 3% of earners for the whole country.

 

[MalcSB]

You don't visit the countryside do you? Dont listen to others with possibly the same narrow perspective. Nip over to our green belt. You can't be far away.
Take a walk. Have a look & a think. Come back and tell us what you learnt ?

It will be further to the green belt soon enough.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

£90k is not a great salary for a professional job in London. Not just City workers but anyone in tech, legal, pretty much anything.

The penny drops (sorry for the pun) when you look at the same jobs and their comparative salaries in other countries. The US is a good example. They can literally be double, triple, or even more than that for the same role.

I know some of us in here have actively talked about it, but I don't think the people of Great Britain have woken up to how low the pay is here. The cost of living crisis comes across as the reason half the time, or many other excuses. The cold hard truth is that people are actually just getting paid fuck all. Throw in the working conditions and tax rates, and it is a disgrace really.

 

[MalcSB]

The quote I'd seen said "the best part of a decade" and to be fair to her, 6 years is the best part of a decade (i.e. the greater part). It's immaterial though anyway isn't it? Judge her on what she does not how long she said she'd worked somewhere.

That’s as good an argument as the ones I was making about the use of red diesel to get the tractors to London for the farmers protest. I.e. not very.

Im not entirely sure that a little over half (60%) of a decade would be considered the best part of a decade by many. How can anyone looking back over their career not be able to differentiate between 6 years and 10 years if they are a bean counter. 8-9 years would probably fall within the term “best part of a decade”.

Oh, my apologies- she wasn’t a counter of beans. Easy mistake to make I suppose.

The usual people will leap to her defence and say these are all immaterial concerns.

In reality, these issues added together give a distinct impression of untrustworthiness. Not one of competence.

Judge her on what she does. Could be too late by then, if she is not getting it right, won’t we have a crashed economy?

Robins was defended by many who wanted to give him to at least the end of the January window, if not the end of the season. The delay we actually had could easily be the difference between mid table and play off place.

Reeves needs to go before the next fiscal plan is to be produced.


Apologies if I have broken a rule here by mentioning football related stuff on the politics thread.

 

[MalcSB]

To be honest, if that person is that bothered by the money and can get it in the City, then I'd prefer them to do that instead. The objective for that industry is make money. It is not the objective of government.

Just because someone is a successful businessperson doesn't mean they'll be a successful, or even good, MP

Besides, MP's are largely the PR execs of a party/govt. It's the civil service where you want the actual brains.

Perhaps that’s part of the problem, may be the civil servants are far more intelligent than the politicians and have realised it and are acting accordingly,

 

[CovValleyBoy]

It will be further to the green belt soon enough.

Good point Malc.
Houses or Chinese manufactured solar panels on "England's green & pleasant Land".
Dispersed with wind turbines.
Ugly days ahead whilst UK energy bills remain the highest on the planet.
& vast remaining natural resources will remain untapped.

 

[shmmeee]

Still puts them in the top 3% of earners for the whole country.

Sure but they’re running the country and it’s a job with far more sacrifices than almost any other out there. 3% is 2.1m people. Thats a lot of people.

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[fingers_crossed]

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I don’t recall any politician before her even having a CV? By all means criticise her for her Policies but this pedantry over her so called CV is getting tedious. If that’s the biggest lie you can find in politics, you’re not looking very hard.

 

[PVA]

I don’t recall any politician before her even having a CV? By all means criticise her for her Policies but this pedantry over her so called CV is getting tedious. If that’s the biggest lie you can find in politics, you’re not looking very hard.

It's absolutely pathetic, isn't it.

And again, it's not even a CV, it's a fucking LinkedIn profile

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The penny drops (sorry for the pun) when you look at the same jobs and their comparative salaries in other countries. The US is a good example. They can literally be double, triple, or even more than that for the same role.

I know some of us in here have actively talked about it, but I don't think the people of Great Britain have woken up to how low the pay is here. The cost of living crisis comes across as the reason half the time, or many other excuses. The cold hard truth is that people are actually just getting paid fuck all. Throw in the working conditions and tax rates, and it is a disgrace really.

I don't disagree with you that the pay is shit in this country (should be another thing that is being hammered home to those willing to risk life and limb to get here) but aren't we fed up of politicians not having the same conditions as normal people - if everyone else's pay is crap why shouldn't theirs be? I always thought MP pay should be based on some sort of multiplier of an average wage of some description.

And part of that problem is due to design by those in power, as wasn't the argument that higher wages will cause inflation? We've got governments cosying up to big business and letting them pay shit wages/reduce employee rights to increase profits, because the best thing is clearly shareholder return rather than everyone being paid what they're worth (and even if pay did increase you can guarantee most things (housing especially) would just increase by that amount or more anyway.

And the expenses are still pretty tidy as well as some other perks, like subsidised bars and a defined benefit pension.

 

[Grendel]

I don't disagree with you that the pay is shit in this country (should be another thing that is being hammered home to those willing to risk life and limb to get here) but aren't we fed up of politicians not having the same conditions as normal people - if everyone else's pay is crap why shouldn't theirs be? I always thought MP pay should be based on some sort of multiplier of an average wage of some description.

And part of that problem is due to design by those in power, as wasn't the argument that higher wages will cause inflation? We've got governments cosying up to big business and letting them pay shit wages/reduce employee rights to increase profits, because the best thing is clearly shareholder return rather than everyone being paid what they're worth (and even if pay did increase you can guarantee most things (housing especially) would just increase by that amount or more anyway.

And the expenses are still pretty tidy as well as some other perks, like subsidised bars and a defined benefit pension.

Their pay is crap for a responsible job and uncertain

If you want a house full of Jacob Rees Mogg types lower the pay even more

 

[shmmeee]

The penny drops (sorry for the pun) when you look at the same jobs and their comparative salaries in other countries. The US is a good example. They can literally be double, triple, or even more than that for the same role.

I know some of us in here have actively talked about it, but I don't think the people of Great Britain have woken up to how low the pay is here. The cost of living crisis comes across as the reason half the time, or many other excuses. The cold hard truth is that people are actually just getting paid fuck all. Throw in the working conditions and tax rates, and it is a disgrace really.

I maintain our taxes are not high. Talking to my GFs parents about their health insurance in NL and they pay out €400+ a month in insurance. We have that factored into our taxes. Take that out and out taxes are much lower than theirs. Same in the states though as you say the wages are much better there, but that’s the benefit of winning the economic lottery and not really comparable. Our biggest problems IMO are housing and energy, both of which are down to our obsession with privatisation and restrictive planning, far more than even the US who have publicly owned mail and water and some publicly owned energy.

 

[Grendel]

It’s enough to make @lordsummerisle turn in his grave

Wicker Man actress Britt Ekland slams trigger warning for nude scene

Students taking a master's degree in folklore at the University of Hertfordshire have been told they can skip the classic 1973 film if they are worried about the 'depiction of nudity'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

The penny drops (sorry for the pun) when you look at the same jobs and their comparative salaries in other countries. The US is a good example. They can literally be double, triple, or even more than that for the same role.

I know some of us in here have actively talked about it, but I don't think the people of Great Britain have woken up to how low the pay is here. The cost of living crisis comes across as the reason half the time, or many other excuses. The cold hard truth is that people are actually just getting paid fuck all. Throw in the working conditions and tax rates, and it is a disgrace really.

I have a theory that it's because of the city of London and the inherent behaviours of companies associated with that.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I maintain our taxes are not high. Talking to my GFs parents about their health insurance in NL and they pay out €400+ a month in insurance. We have that factored into our taxes. Take that out and out taxes are much lower than theirs. Same in the states though as you say the wages are much better there, but that’s the benefit of winning the economic lottery and not really comparable. Our biggest problems IMO are housing and energy, both of which are down to our obsession with privatisation and restrictive planning, far more than even the US who have publicly owned mail and water and some publicly owned energy.

I was looking at US median salary and average health insurance payments last week. Their combined income tax and health insurance was a greater share of their pay than tax and NI is for somebody on an median salary in the UK.

US median wage $66k, average health insurance premium is $8k on top of income tax of €15k roughly. UK median wage £37k on which tax and National Insurance is £7k without any pension contribution, ie tax and NI would be even lower for somebody paying into a pension.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The penny drops (sorry for the pun) when you look at the same jobs and their comparative salaries in other countries. The US is a good example. They can literally be double, triple, or even more than that for the same role.

I know some of us in here have actively talked about it, but I don't think the people of Great Britain have woken up to how low the pay is here. The cost of living crisis comes across as the reason half the time, or many other excuses. The cold hard truth is that people are actually just getting paid fuck all. Throw in the working conditions and tax rates, and it is a disgrace really.

Maybe more should unionise and negotiate for the higher pay and better conditions that tend to come with such arrangements.

 

[Captain Dart]

Maybe more should unionise and negotiate for the higher pay and better conditions that tend to come with such arrangements.

UNISON seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time passing resolutions supporting trans access to women's spaces.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

UNISON seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time passing resolutions supporting trans access to women's spaces.

It's empirically proven that unionisation tends to lead to better pay and conditions. Probably why countless Tory governments have made it so hard for people to gain the right.

 

[MalcSB]

£90k is not a great salary for a professional job in London. Not just City workers but anyone in tech, legal, pretty much anything.

Train drivers. (I didn’t want to disappoint you).

 

[MalcSB]

It's empirically proven that unionisation tends to lead to better pay and conditions. Probably why countless Tory governments have made it so hard for people to gain the right.

My union did fuck all for me,

 

[shmmeee]

Train drivers. (I didn’t want to disappoint you).

I mean yeah not a million miles from it.

 

[MalcSB]

It's empirically proven that unionisation tends to lead to better pay and conditions. Probably why countless Tory governments have made it so hard for people to gain the right.

And more access to women’s spaces for trans?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And more access to women’s spaces for trans?

Transgender toilets and changing rooms seems to be a right wing battleground. Certainly not something I heard about once in 3 years as a union rep

 

[MalcSB]

It’s enough to make @lordsummerisle turn in his grave

Wicker Man actress Britt Ekland slams trigger warning for nude scene

Students taking a master's degree in folklore at the University of Hertfordshire have been told they can skip the classic 1973 film if they are worried about the 'depiction of nudity'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I hate to disappoint anybody, but it was apparently a body double not Britt that was dancing nude.

'70s Horror Movie Star Recalls Being Tricked By Nude Scene Body Double: "I Was Just Devastated"

The Wicker Man's nude scene was important.

screenrant.com

 

[Grendel]

I hate to disappoint anybody, but it was apparently a body double not Britt that was dancing nude.

'70s Horror Movie Star Recalls Being Tricked By Nude Scene Body Double: "I Was Just Devastated"

The Wicker Man's nude scene was important.

screenrant.com

Yes it was and she was really pissed off. She refused to do it and said cut it out the script and no one told her. Voice was dubbed as well.

 

[Ian1779]

UNISON seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time passing resolutions supporting trans access to women's spaces.

Any actual evidence for this or just angry Facebook vibes?

 

[shmmeee]

Any actual evidence for this or just angry Facebook vibes?

They passed a motion at conference which of course means they’re totally obsessed and doing nothing else

 

[fernandopartridge]

My union did fuck all for me,

Your pension's not bad though I bet

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Our new buildings just have unisex toilets

 

[shmmeee]

Our new buildings just have unisex toilets

My daughter’s school had that, and no doors either. Lasted about two years before constant complaints from the girls made them out proper sex segregated toilets in.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My daughter’s school had that, and no doors either. Lasted about two years before constant complaints from the girls made them out proper sex segregated toilets in.

What I mean is toilets you can lock that can be used by any gender