Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

He doesn't help himself by being all style and no substance. Take the pretend future fund, the 400 mil earmarked for it actually works out at about 158 quid per person if there is as predicted an extra 2.6 million jobless

It’s all bollocks.

He’s going to drive us into a double dip ideological recession over Brexit and tHe NaTiOnAl cReDiT CaRd.

Are they going to claw back the billions they gave to their mates? Are the fook. And well meaning people without a clue will nod along going “yeah well future generations debt innit?”

LOST GROWTH IS LOST FOREVER!!!! Stupid timescales to “pay down the debt” that kill entire industries are what will kill your grandkids future Darren not a fucking budget deficit.

Can’t believe we’re going to watch this shite play out again like it’s 2010 all over again. My kingdom for a politician with an ounce of common sense.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Bloody hell!

 

[clint van damme]

Bloody hell!

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Nick Grifftin

 

[skybluetony176]

I see the government still can’t stem the leak.

 

[Grendel]

Bloody hell!

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Targeted searching as well - well well

 

[chiefdave]

Question for the non-Tories on the thread, interested to know where people get their news from these days?

Politically I'd probably be classed as 'anyone but the Conservatives' having voted Green, Lib Dem and Labour at various points in the past. Finding that these days its a struggle to get decent news coverage. Don't particularly want to be in an echo chamber but not really a fan of how opinion is increasingly presented as fact.

Have previously been a reader of The Times, Independent, Guardian and The i but IMO they've all gone downhill. The choice seems to be between news that is so lacking in detail it fits in a tweet or rambling 2 hour podcasts with a very narrow subject matter and little objectivity.

 

[clint van damme]

Question for the non-Tories on the thread, interested to know where people get their news from these days?

Politically I'd probably be classed as 'anyone but the Conservatives' having voted Green, Lib Dem and Labour at various points in the past. Finding that these days its a struggle to get decent news coverage. Don't particularly want to be in an echo chamber but not really a fan of how opinion is increasingly presented as fact.

Have previously been a reader of The Times, Independent, Guardian and The i but IMO they've all gone downhill. The choice seems to be between news that is so lacking in detail it fits in a tweet or rambling 2 hour podcasts with a very narrow subject matter and little objectivity.

I read the Guardian but I don't rate it however it's probably more accurate than most British papers, the Times was decent but is now behind a paywall.
I work between my desk and the shop floor so when at my desk I generally listen to a podcast or music but also Sky news which isn't too bad to be fair.
Don't rate the Independent at all though it had two great foreign correspondents in Cockburn and Frisk. I see the centrist so called journalists are putting the boot in on Fisk now he's dead the cunts.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Not sure if I’m classed as a Tory or not Dave (I’ve voted for both main parties more than once, no disrespect to the other parties but there is no point where I live)

For what it’s worth my advice is to read a mix (The Guardian, Mail, Sunday Times is probably where I get most info from, first two as decent free online content !). If you know their biases you can at least build those into your thinking - it’s why I rarely take stuff directly off social media at face value without at least knowing someone’s angle/biases. However much people may not like certain papers, how do you ever know what the other side of the argument is without reading their point of view on a certain subject ?

Take brexit - you can get a real mix of views/opinions across those three papers, read one solely and it’s probably a waste of time as you probably know what’s going to be said (positive or negative) before even reading it.

As I’ve said before the written media has a lot to answer for during the pandemic, however, I would rather read a mix of their content than trust news off directly from some bloke/woman off social media

 

[skybluetony176]

Sounds like Mark Francois is about to return to public life.

 

[clint van damme]

 

[skybluetony176]

Let’s see how this plays out

 

[skybluetony176]

German TV destroys Boris Johnson in The Crown parody sketch 'The Clown'

'The Clown' is a parody of the hit Netflix series The Crown - only instead of being about the British Royal Family, it is a biography of Boris Johnson.

www.joe.co.uk

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Let’s see how this plays out

I think he meant to say he'll lie in front of those bulldozers in the meaning of he'll stand there and tell fibs.

 

[skybluetony176]

I think he meant to say he'll lie in front of those bulldozers in the meaning of he'll stand there and tell fibs.

Sept 2015. Boris Johnson says he will lie in front of bulldozers

Dec 2019. Boris visits the JCB factory and lies in front of a bulldozer.

 

[chiefdave]

Well I'm shocked. Who would have guessed trickle down doesn't work and "tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else" & "such measures over the last 50 years only really benefited the individuals who were directly affected, and did little to promote jobs or growth."

Fifty Years of Tax Cuts for Rich Didn’t Trickle Down, Study Says

Tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else, according to a study of the advanced world that could add to the case for the wealthy to bear more of the cost of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.bloomberg.com

Here's the paper for anyone interested:

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/107919/1/Hope_economic_consequences_of_major_tax_cuts_published.pdf

 

[clint van damme]

brilliant!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well I'm shocked. Who would have guessed trickle down doesn't work and "tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else" & "such measures over the last 50 years only really benefited the individuals who were directly affected, and did little to promote jobs or growth."

Fifty Years of Tax Cuts for Rich Didn’t Trickle Down, Study Says

Tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else, according to a study of the advanced world that could add to the case for the wealthy to bear more of the cost of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.bloomberg.com

Here's the paper for anyone interested:

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/107919/1/Hope_economic_consequences_of_major_tax_cuts_published.pdf

Well that's a shock!

Of course those of us who said as such at the time were just idiots without a clue about economics...

 

[shmmeee]

Well I'm shocked. Who would have guessed trickle down doesn't work and "tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else" & "such measures over the last 50 years only really benefited the individuals who were directly affected, and did little to promote jobs or growth."

Fifty Years of Tax Cuts for Rich Didn’t Trickle Down, Study Says

Tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else, according to a study of the advanced world that could add to the case for the wealthy to bear more of the cost of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.bloomberg.com

Here's the paper for anyone interested:

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/107919/1/Hope_economic_consequences_of_major_tax_cuts_published.pdf

Well I, for one, can’t wait for our newly enthusiastic for economic equality and not that trendy racial or sex equality government to get right on this.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Jacob Rees-Mogg accuses Unicef of 'playing politics' over UK food campaign

He says the charity should be "ashamed" after launching a campaign to feed UK children.

www.bbc.co.uk

Totally clueless privileged idiot.

Not once does he think how come British kids even qualify for UNICEF help. The fact they do should be a wake up call that his parties policies of favouring the rich with tax cuts and cutting spending are causing huge inequality and social problems and need to be consigned to the dustbin of history as the failures they are. It's not UNICEF who should be ashamed - it's him.

But having been brought up in that life of privilege and wealth he of course can't be wrong. It must be everyone else.

 

[chiefdave]

The only people who should be ashamed are the government. Should be a national scandal that UNICEF are having to intervene to feed hungry children in this country.

 

[skybluetony176]

Jacob Rees-Mogg accuses Unicef of 'playing politics' over UK food campaign

He says the charity should be "ashamed" after launching a campaign to feed UK children.

www.bbc.co.uk

Totally clueless privileged idiot.

Not once does he think how come British kids even qualify for UNICEF help. The fact they do should be a wake up call that his parties policies of favouring the rich with tax cuts and cutting spending are causing huge inequality and social problems and need to be consigned to the dustbin of history as the failures they are. It's not UNICEF who should be ashamed - it's him.

But having been brought up in that life of privilege and wealth he of course can't be wrong. It must be everyone else.

Let them eat cake

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Let them eat cake

Well he'd put it as

sit illis manducare libum

 

[Ian1779]

Well he'd put it as

sit illis manducare libum

Always wondered what the Latin for c*** is....

 

[wingy]

Tory MP sacked as aide after Le Carré-style sting to find leak

An extraordinary spy “sting” mounted by the Government Chief Whip has led to a Tory MP being sacked from his post as a ministerial aide.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tory MP sacked as aide after Le Carré-style sting to find leak

An extraordinary spy “sting” mounted by the Government Chief Whip has led to a Tory MP being sacked from his post as a ministerial aide.

www.standard.co.uk

As usual, some leaks are OK and some are not.

 

[chiefdave]

Let them eat cake

To be fair there's probably not much money left after we've paid nurses.

Four out of ten nurses helping Britain battle Covid-19 say they are so badly paid they go without meals or use food banks so their families can eat instead.

 

[clint van damme]

Jacob Rees-Mogg accuses Unicef of 'playing politics' over UK food campaign

He says the charity should be "ashamed" after launching a campaign to feed UK children.

www.bbc.co.uk

Totally clueless privileged idiot.

Not once does he think how come British kids even qualify for UNICEF help. The fact they do should be a wake up call that his parties policies of favouring the rich with tax cuts and cutting spending are causing huge inequality and social problems and need to be consigned to the dustbin of history as the failures they are. It's not UNICEF who should be ashamed - it's him.

But having been brought up in that life of privilege and wealth he of course can't be wrong. It must be everyone else.

an absolute c**t of a man.
Constantly hides behind his religion when it suits but conveniently ignores any part of the bible or Christian philosophy that contradicts his I'm alright jack outlook on life.
But has a posh accent and can spout a bit of Latin so gets a pass from a large chunk of the cap doffing electorate.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Always wondered what the Latin for c*** is....

Read some of Catullus' and Ovid's poetry, you'll find lots of them in there! The former even writes one that includes the line 'he eats his own shit and drinks his own piss'

 

[shmmeee]

an absolute c**t of a man.
Constantly hides behind his religion when it suits but conveniently ignores any part of the bible or Christian philosophy that contradicts his I'm alright jack outlook on life.
But has a posh accent and can spout a bit of Latin so gets a pass from a large chunk of the cap doffing electorate.

What I don’t get is the same electorate getting all bent out of shape at Starmer being a Sir. Is it because he’s earned it and Mogg and the rest had it given to them? Genuinely confused.

 

[clint van damme]

Oh dear, it looks like our Nigel is been upgraded by the FBI from a person of interest to 'investigated for multiple data crimes' in the Russia investigation

Just rumours at the moment but the thought of that walk sitting in a cell is fucking hilarious.

 

[skybluetony176]

Pritti Patel. The cabinets very own Tommy Robinson.

 

[chiefdave]

Johnson has given Peter Cruddas a seat in the House of Lords for 'services to the country'. That's the same Peter Cruddas who was caught in the 'cash for access' scandal.

Conservative Party co-treasurer Peter Cruddas has resigned after secretly filmed footage showed him apparently offering access to the prime minister for a donation of £250,000 a year.

He made the claim to Sunday Times reporters posing as potential donors.

He said £250,000 gave "premier league" access, including dinner with David Cameron and possibly the chance to influence government policy.

Sure the fact he was on the board of Vote Leave and has donated over £3.5m to the Conservatives, including £50K to Johnson last year, has nothing to do with it.

The House of Lords appointment commission, an independent body, advised against the appointment but were ignored by Johnson. Rather conveniently its been done when MPs are away and Johnson can't be questioned on it.

The speaker of the House of Lords, Norman Fowler, isn't happy about the rate at which Johnson is appointing new peers.

My response to the announcement today that the Prime Minister has appointed 16 new peers to the House of Lords:

My fundamental concern is about the number of new peers that have been appointed by the Prime Minister in his first 12 months in Office. Mr Johnson has added 16 to his list of appointments bringing the total for the year up to 52 new peers over two lists. This list will bring the total in the House of Lords to over 830 - almost 200 more than the House of Commons.

I will not comment on the personalities involved, although perhaps I could personally welcome John Sentamu, but my concern remains that the central defect is the present system of appointments. Unlike other senates in democratic countries, there is no limit on the number of members there can be. Any Prime Minister can appoint as many as he or she likes. To her great credit the previous Prime Minister, Theresa May, committed her government to a policy of ‘moderation.'.

In a massive U-turn, those words seem to have been forgotten. It may also now be the time to review the role and the powers of the House of Lords Appointments Commission (HOLAC).

The number of appointments now being made also run smack against the recommendations of the Burns committee on the size of the House that was overwhelmingly endorsed by the House of Lords. The committee recommended that numbers should be reduced to 600.

To add insult to injury, for the second time the announcement of new peers has been made when Parliament is not sitting.

Sometimes the Lords itself is blamed for a failure to change. My answer to that is- don't blame the Lords, blame successive governments who have avoided the subject. The reply has been that change is ‘not a priority’. It is possible that with the last two lists, the public may now disagree.

 

[skybluetony176]

Johnson has given Peter Cruddas a seat in the House of Lords for 'services to the country'. That's the same Peter Cruddas who was caught in the 'cash for access' scandal.

Sure the fact he was on the board of Vote Leave and has donated over £3.5m to the Conservatives, including £50K to Johnson last year, has nothing to do with it.

The House of Lords appointment commission, an independent body, advised against the appointment but were ignored by Johnson. Rather conveniently its been done when MPs are away and Johnson can't be questioned on it.

The speaker of the House of Lords, Norman Fowler, isn't happy about the rate at which Johnson is appointing new peers.

Covidiot and general idiot Daniel Hannan too I heard earlier.

 

[chiefdave]

Covidiot and general idiot Daniel Hannan too I heard earlier.

Well he will obviously turn it down given his feelings on nobodies and former politicians being given seats.

 

[wingy]

This apparently is vying for Christmas no 1