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However the main point is how garbage must Labour be to get thrashed out of sight by him
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However the main point is how garbage must Labour be to get thrashed out of sight by him
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Death toll rises and thousands flee homes as floods hit China
Torrential rainfall and burst rivers swamp Henan cities, with commuters trapped on subway trains
‘Everything is on fire’: Siberia hit by unprecedented burning
Locals fear for their health and property as smoke from raging forest fires shrouds an entire region of eastern Russia
Thunderstorms and lightning threaten to spur more fires in US west
More than 80 major wildfires currently burning in western states as Bootleg fire reaches 537 sq miles
All from today's Guardian. Great speech by John Kerry, but never gonna happen.
It’s been said before, times can change quickly in politics, the vaccine bounce will disappear soon, especially if the current situation worsens (not just cases/deaths but people self isolating unnecessarily etc).
Labour just need to sort their shit out for when the inevitable opportunity arises
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's never going to be a proper opportunity though is it because we're years away from an election.
Of course it'd be good to see a bit more bite from Starmer but even if we did it'd be forgotten by the time we're in front of the ballot box.
Skybluefaz
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If the pandemic doesn't teach us to take these things seriously what will? Immediate action needed.Death toll rises and thousands flee homes as floods hit China
Torrential rainfall and burst rivers swamp Henan cities, with commuters trapped on subway trainswww.theguardian.com
‘Everything is on fire’: Siberia hit by unprecedented burning
Locals fear for their health and property as smoke from raging forest fires shrouds an entire region of eastern Russia
Thunderstorms and lightning threaten to spur more fires in US west
More than 80 major wildfires currently burning in western states as Bootleg fire reaches 537 sq miles
All from today's Guardian. Great speech by John Kerry, but never gonna happen.
shmmeee
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We’re not going to get a government in who takes it seriously in time. Best bet is America doesn’t lose its mind again and China feels like showing everyone how it’s done
skybluetony176
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The party of law and order. Unless it’s one of them.
news.sky.com
Five Tory MPs breached code of conduct by trying to influence judge in Charlie Elphicke sex assault trial, committee rules
Charlie Elphicke was suspended from the Conservatives in 2017 after he was accused of sexual offences against two members of staff, and later sentenced to two years in prison.
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The party of law and order. Unless it’s one of them.
Five Tory MPs breached code of conduct by trying to influence judge in Charlie Elphicke sex assault trial, committee rules
Charlie Elphicke was suspended from the Conservatives in 2017 after he was accused of sexual offences against two members of staff, and later sentenced to two years in prison.
yep, saw that - have to say, its insidious behaviour, and stronger action should have been taken.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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This highlights how ludicrous some of our parliamentary laws are.
You can be the Prime Minister and lie in the chamber, on the TV and to people in the street and it's fine.
If you're an MP and tell the truth, you get kicked out.
Yet in that same chamber you can use 'parliamentary privilege' to name or accuse any individual who isn't an MP
You can be the Prime Minister and lie in the chamber, on the TV and to people in the street and it's fine.
If you're an MP and tell the truth, you get kicked out.
Yet in that same chamber you can use 'parliamentary privilege' to name or accuse any individual who isn't an MP
Dawn Butler thrown out of Commons for PM lie accusation
Dawn Butler breaks parliamentary rules by accusing Boris Johnson of lying.
www.bbc.co.uk
This highlights how ludicrous some of our parliamentary laws are.
You can be the Prime Minister and lie in the chamber, on the TV and to people in the street and it's fine.
If you're an MP and tell the truth, you get kicked out.
Yet in that same chamber you can use 'parliamentary privilege' to name or accuse any individual who isn't an MP
Dawn Butler thrown out of Commons for PM lie accusation
Dawn Butler breaks parliamentary rules by accusing Boris Johnson of lying.www.bbc.co.uk
Heard this earlier and thought fair play, you can’t/shouldn’t subsequently retract a statement if you believe it. She wanted to make a point and did
shmmeee
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Yeah I can’t stand Butler generally and would rather she wasn’t in my party TBH, but this rule is ridiculous and she obviously believes it. It’s nuts you can say anything and be covered by parliamentary privilege but you can’t say someone’s lying and back it up with evidence.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I agree entirely. It's got more attention by her standing by what she said than if she'd retracted it were it'd be forgotten and she'd probably end up looking a bit silly and like she didn't believe it. She stands by what she said and frankly it's not that hard to prove her right. My ire is based at the stupid antiquated 'traditions' of the house that says she can't call him something he blatantly is in that one room. I'd stand just outside the door shouting "Boris is a liar". Do you really think he'd bring charges against you for it?
Trouble with these traditions is they're a leftover of a time when parliament was filled by toffs and landowners who had control and basically used parliament for their own means (has it really changed?). They can say anything they like in the chamber, unless it's against an MP. I can't think of a less apt title for a group of people than 'Right Honourable'.
oakey
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I think we're in danger of stretching our version of democracy until it snaps.
I was thinking today about my local MP. He's a tory, represents a West Midlands seat, lives in Hampstead. He tweets himself supporting local councillors protecting the green belt and doing the odd apprentice fair. He's a government whip so will always vote with the government and if you email him will send you a tory central office press spiel. Therefore what is the point of having an MP at all? If we just voted for a PM and let the person elected choose their loyal mates, BoJo would likely pick the same bloke. He works for the tory party, he doesn't work for his constituents.
So this could make a cynic lose faith in democracy completely. We keep hearing that all politicians are liars, on the take etc. That leads many to switch off and just vote as if it's Strictly, not government.
I was thinking today about my local MP. He's a tory, represents a West Midlands seat, lives in Hampstead. He tweets himself supporting local councillors protecting the green belt and doing the odd apprentice fair. He's a government whip so will always vote with the government and if you email him will send you a tory central office press spiel. Therefore what is the point of having an MP at all? If we just voted for a PM and let the person elected choose their loyal mates, BoJo would likely pick the same bloke. He works for the tory party, he doesn't work for his constituents.
So this could make a cynic lose faith in democracy completely. We keep hearing that all politicians are liars, on the take etc. That leads many to switch off and just vote as if it's Strictly, not government.
Skybluefaz
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Tea & Busquets
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Bit off topic, but what do we think of Jeremy Corbyn ?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’ve only written to my Labour MP this year, mostly about the nonsense on weddings plus some stuff on the restrictions on classroom teaching. He didn’t reply to any of them nor did I get an acknowledgment.
Will remember that next time he asks for my vote-and he will, with a sub 1000 majority
Ian1779
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I’ve got Peter Bone - do you want to swap?
This is a disgrace if they stick to this stance. Of course it’s proportionate to review personal emails if they only have a limited understanding of certain decision making processes because of their use. The fact is Hancock shouldn’t have been using personal emails for official businesses anyway. I would have thought if this was done regularly it would be a sackable offence on its own due to security risks involved. Didn’t Hilary get slaughtered for this in the US ?
This information would also surely be required for any formal enquiry ? I wonder if any subsequently appointment committee have the powers to demand access ?
clint van damme
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My MP has blocked me on Twitter because I’m a lefty.
Didn't realise you were one of Starmers constituents!
Northants Sky Blue
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Mans a pro Death Penalty, anti-abortion, Burkha hating ghoul.
Has a couple of photo ops in Wellingborough a year then spends rest of it in London.
Wins 53% of the vote
In a region bankrupted by the parent companies austerity measures.
Strange how it all stacks up.
Ian1779
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I know - entire council was scrapped after the Tories bankrupted it, and then all straight back into power in the new replacement councils.
Evo1883
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My MP has blocked me on Twitter because I’m a lefty.
Come on , what did you call him / her
shmmeee
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Come on , what did you call him / her
Indont remember to be honest. I’ll go search and find out.
So turns out I said “don’t vote for starving kids if you don’t want to be called names”
This was during the school meals stuff.
Evo1883
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SBAndy
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Oh wow, that’s reminded me of the “Gary Sambrook eats big dinners” graffiti!
"Voting Intention: Con 38%, Lab 34% (20-21 July) | YouGov" Voting Intention: Con 38%, Lab 34% (20-21 July) | YouGov
So many threads
I'll park it here.
"Sam McBride: Halting between two stances, PM’s tough talk may again just be bluster – but it has emboldened loyalists | Belfast News Letter" Sam McBride: Halting between two stances, PM’s tough talk may again just be bluster – but it has emboldened loyalists
I'll park it here.
"Sam McBride: Halting between two stances, PM’s tough talk may again just be bluster – but it has emboldened loyalists | Belfast News Letter" Sam McBride: Halting between two stances, PM’s tough talk may again just be bluster – but it has emboldened loyalists
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Life expectancy lower for white and mixed ethnic people than Black and Asian groups – study
Findings of Office for National Statistics analysis consistent with previous research say experts