fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Biden didn't make 10 pledges that he didn't have any intention of keeping though, did he?
Biden didn't make 10 pledges that he didn't have any intention of keeping though, did he?The left showing it’s political naivety again. Having a big bust up and childish chanting plays right into Starmers hands right now.
The approach the left Dems took after Bidens confirmation as candidate would’ve been much more productive: conditional support rather than outright opposition.
Biden didn't make 10 pledges that he didn't have any intention of keeping though, did he?
I wouldn't say that, it was pretty vague with no real aspiration to anything better than tinkering with the status quo. The same new Labour supply side stuff that has no real impact:This speech is really good and is what the Labour Party should be about, pure aspiration for ordinary people and the hope that things can get better.
The hecklers have destroyed themselves and they just sound lame and sad now.
He hasn't named any specifically butWhich pledges has he said he’ll break?
He hasn't named any specifically but
Starmer: I’m ready to break pledges to make Labour electable
Keir Starmer has said he is willing to tear up the promises he made during the Labour leadership election if it is needed to make the party electable.www.independent.co.uk
There is an argument that he had misleadingly presented common ownership of utilities as akin to nationalisation in his election material. Yet he broke that one the other day. I've no idea what he means by common ownership, wouldn't be surprised if he suggests everybody buy shares off Sid like Maggie did.
I understand common ownership as like Corbyns energy policy: co-ops either worker or customer owned rather than state owned.
There seems to be a lot of bad faith and assumptions about what he’ll do in the future here.
For me I’m glad he’s focused on winning, it’s step one. I’m not convinced he can do that but I understand his approach. When we’ve got some actual policy to oppose from a sitting government then I’ll hold him to it, until then it’s all irrelevant really.
There’s some positions he’s taken that I’m vehemently against but the idea he’s turning Labour into the Tories isn’t a credible take IMO. If anything he’s still too socially liberal and left wing for the electorate.
Policies don't matter a jot for most people and focussing on that will only lead to more of the same. All about perception and personality and sadly for him he is lacking in both departments
Id agree about the latter. Former though he’s actually polling pretty well personally with the public.
Got any recent ones?
Exclusive: Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson draw level on best PM rating
It is the first time in 13 years the Labour leader has not been behind in this key ratingwww.standard.co.uk
All that shows is Johnson went down nearly 10% while Starmer stays the same?
All that shows is Johnson went down nearly 10% while Starmer stays the same?
Empty shelves, no fuel and talk of Christmas being 'cancelled' results in Labour losing ground. I don't get it.
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Yep, the majority of Labour voters want Starmer to step down.
When's the release of the Forde Report again?
Because the Greens and LDs picked up support from the Tory slump rather than Labour.
.....otherwise known as the Starmer effect...
It’s OK. He’s now seen as barely more fit to govern than the biggest idiot to ever grace Number 10
It will take them a decade to recover from their final Brexit position alone.Quite scarily in general Starmer is polling much better than the Labour Party which shows the absolute catastrafuck of what has happened to Labour when Starmer's figures are this bad.
It will take them a decade to recover from their final Brexit position alone.
Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.Have you seen the latest polling on Brexit?
Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.
Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
The problem was the ridiculous Brexit position Corbyn took all alongIt will take them a decade to recover from their final Brexit position alone.
It was in the Tory manifesto for the 1987 GE, which they won with a sizeable majority and the popular vote. So not strictly true.Nobody voted for poll tax. The majority voted for Brexit.
Nobody voted for poll tax. The majority voted for Brexit.
Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.
Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
It was in the Tory manifesto for the 1987 GE, which they won with a sizeable majority and the popular vote. So not strictly true.
Not sure of the demographics, but I reckon that 52/48 split is being eroded as time goes on.
The problem is, I believe that any new joinee of the EU (i.e the UK) has to commit to using the Euro as their de facto currency.
The rejoining the EU ship has sailed,
For whatever reason, the media will take against it, and that will be that.
We have to put up with this, for better or worse.
Yes - but it’s one thing people realising the clusterfuck that is Brexit for themselves, it’s another thing them being told by a group of Westminster MP’s they weren’t informed enough to make the right decision.Have you seen the latest polling on Brexit?
But the Tories still got another election win through… which is worrying.Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.
Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
Yes - but it’s one thing people realising the clusterfuck that is Brexit for themselves, it’s another thing them being told by a group of Westminster MP’s they weren’t informed enough to make the right decision.
But there’s no chance of that happening is there? Labour have said they won’t entertain FoM and there’s no way the Tories ever will.My Tory friends who now regret their vote have conceded that Schengen needs to be joined and FoM needs to be restored to relieve the labour shortage. Basically to rejoin in all but name
Yes it was - but all the noise behind it was about a PV because the public (Leave voters in essence) didn’t know what they voted for.Wasn’t the Labour Brexit policy for another referendum?
The impression o get on here is very much Brexiters are in a state of “don’t mention the war” I’m not sure it’ll matter as much as day to day stuff come the next election let alone in a decade. We’ll see though.
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