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[TomRad85]

You should see what my Tory voting friends post, it's no less gimpish. Bit hard to find a party to follow really as someone who just wants more investment in public services, a higher minimum wage and slightly looser drug regulations, but doesn't want to engage in debate on scientific facts being transphobic

Fair play, on mine I never see anyone posting pro-tory shit, not worth the pile on from the left wingers. I'll take your word for it though, it could be specific to my friends list... wanna swap friends?

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fair play, on mine I never see anyone posting pro-tory shit, not worth the pile on from the left wingers. I'll take your word for it though, it could be specific to my friends list... wanna swap friends?

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I have one who says he's upset with Priti Patel because if he was in charge he wouldn't let immigrants like himself (!) into the country.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If only you’d displayed the same kind of rage about the Tories pulling the UC uplift as you do about Rayner’s potty mouth.

Or about Johnson saying 'let the bodies pile high', which is apparently not worse than using a naughty word

 

[TomRad85]

I have one who says he's upset with Priti Patel because if he was in charge he wouldn't let immigrants like himself (!) into the country.

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[Deleted member 9744]

I live in a constituency with a Tory MP, 3 Tory councillors and a Tory mayor.
All are men over 50.
I am not a tory or a man
None of them have ever canvassed my views and only reply with generic emails to my concerns.
Contacting any of these is literally a waste of time.
I am not represented by them or listened to.

I also live in the constituency of a particularly hopeless Tory MP. Campaigned for remain but now spouts about rubbish about immigration. Truly terrible MP.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

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It was a big topic at the conference , transphobia yada yada

Why are we being distracted by this nonsense at this time, instead of focusing on the useless Government.

135,000 dead from covid - one of the highest rates in the world relative to population
Thousands of people who supported us left in Afghanistan to face the Taliban
No petrol at the pumps
Rising gas prices
Empty shelves

These are the things we should be concerned about.

 

[shmmeee]

Why are we being distracted by this nonsense at this time, instead of focusing on the useless Government.

135,000 dead from covid - one of the highest rates in the world relative to population
Thousands of people who supported us left in Afghanistan to face the Taliban
No petrol at the pumps
Rising gas prices
Empty shelves

These are the things we should be concerned about.

Everyone loves a bit of left on left violence. Same reason Brexit got the publicity it did before the public gave a shit: lots of Tory infighting. And any question that can make politicians splutter and stumble is going to keep being asked.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Labour have just got to hold their shit together. The far left of the party need to decide whether they want to suck it up and tow the party/Starmer line which will give them the best chance of winning (on recent government performance the next election is very winnable) or keep the infighting, cause problems for Starmer and make themselves unelectable.

For example yesterday Reeves may not have been as radical as many members might want but she is trying to appeal to a combination of old red wall voters and centre/centre right voters who may well have give up on the government on competence grounds come the next election.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour have just got to hold their shit together. The far left of the party need to decide whether they want to suck it up and tow the party/Starmer line which will give them the best chance of winning (on recent government performance the next election is very winnable) or keep the infighting, cause problems for Starmer and make themselves unelectable.

For example yesterday Reeves may not have been as radical as many members might want but she is trying to appeal to a combination of old red wall voters and centre/centre right voters who may well have give up on the government on competence grounds come the next election.

Starmer looks less like the right man by the day. Haven't given up on a cushy by-election to sneak in Andy Burnham as the person who I think could do what you're suggesting.

 

[Grendel]

If only you’d displayed the same kind of rage about the Tories pulling the UC uplift as you do about Rayner’s potty mouth.

I couldn’t care less about her but she’s a moron and any other leader would have fired her not wimped around saying “it’s not language I’d use” - in power she could say it about US i residents German chancellors anyone. She’s a cretin and isn’t fit to wash dishes in a pub let alone he deputy prime minister

You are very welcome to her

 

[CCFCSteve]

Starmer looks less like the right man by the day. Haven't given up on a cushy by-election to sneak in Andy Burnham as the person who I think could do what you're suggesting.

Agree about Burnham. I think the fact he’s seen as being outside the London/Westminster bubble will help him as well. would need something dramatic for it to happen before next election though

 

[Grendel]

Starmer looks less like the right man by the day. Haven't given up on a cushy by-election to sneak in Andy Burnham as the person who I think could do what you're suggesting.

It’s never going to happen as mad as hatter members and union leaders control the party. Starmer needs to stop pretending he is Blair and grow a pair and be like Kinnock and stand up to the fruitcakes

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Everyone loves a bit of left on left violence. Same reason Brexit got the publicity it did before the public gave a shit: lots of Tory infighting. And any question that can make politicians splutter and stumble is going to keep being asked.

OK let's just keep going with this rubbish and let this incompetent Government keep wrecking people's lives.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s never going to happen as mad as hatter members and union leaders control the party. Starmer needs to stop pretending he is Blair and grow a pair and be like Kinnock and stand up to the fruitcakes

Kinnock also lost?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Agree about Burnham. I think the fact he’s seen as being outside the London/Westminster bubble will help him as well. would need something dramatic for it to happen before next election though

3 years is a long time in politics. To me he'd be a unifying figure for the new and traditional base of the party while attracting disgruntled Tories with generally being competent up in Manchester.

He'll also be wary of taking the poisoned chalice at the wrong time

 

[Grendel]

Kinnock also lost?

always would but laid foundations by alienating the left

 

[Ian1779]

I couldn’t care less about her but she’s a moron and any other leader would have fired her not wimped around saying “it’s not language I’d use” - in power she could say it about US i residents German chancellors anyone. She’s a cretin and isn’t fit to wash dishes in a pub let alone he deputy prime minister

You are very welcome to her

Thank you for illustrating my point.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

always would but laid foundations by alienating the left

Well I mean Starmer's alienated teachers and the unions at least, must count for something?

 

[Grendel]

Thank you for illustrating my point.

well I’m sure a lot if others will and actually Starmer would enhance his position in the country overnight if he fired her. Of course he won’t as the union cabal and the members won’t let him. That’s what they are unsuitable for office

 

[Grendel]

Well I mean Starmer's alienated teachers and the unions at least, must count for something?

The actual teachers and actual union members don’t care really and that’s the point - they aren’t going to vote Tory - Labour needs to concentrate on voters and not the moron members and tossers like mccloskey

 

[Ian1779]

The actual teachers and actual union members don’t care really and that’s the point - they aren’t going to vote Tory - Labour needs to concentrate on voters and not the moron members and tossers like mccloskey

They won’t vote Tory you’re right, but the more Starmer alienates them the more will take their vote elsewhere or stay at home.

 

[Grendel]

They won’t vote Tory you’re right, but the more Starmer alienates them the more will take their vote elsewhere or stay at home.

I hate to break it to you but teachers don’t win elections

 

[Ian1779]

I hate to break it to you but teachers don’t win elections

No they don’t - but Labour needs every voter it can get. They aren’t inspiring anyone new with their insipid ideas.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hate to break it to you but teachers don’t win elections

They don’t but you just said he needs to alienate the left. Well he seems to be doing very well at that yet still getting nowhere.

 

[shmmeee]

We all love to slag Starmer off, but genuinely quality joke in his speech:

“My dad was a tool maker. Although, in a way so was Boris Johnson’s”

 

[David O'Day]

This speech is really good and is what the Labour Party should be about, pure aspiration for ordinary people and the hope that things can get better.

The hecklers have destroyed themselves and they just sound lame and sad now.

 

[skybluetony176]

Got to laugh at the £15.00 an hour heckles. By the next GE the labour shortage will probably ensure £15.00 isn’t high enough.

 

[Ian1779]

This speech is really good and is what the Labour Party should be about, pure aspiration for ordinary people and the hope that things can get better.

The hecklers have destroyed themselves and they just sound lame and sad now.

I agree about the hecklers… it’s not the time.

 

[shmmeee]

I agree about the hecklers… it’s not the time.

The left showing it’s political naivety again. Having a big bust up and childish chanting plays right into Starmers hands right now.

The approach the left Dems took after Bidens confirmation as candidate would’ve been much more productive: conditional support rather than outright opposition.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The left showing it’s political naivety again. Having a big bust up and childish chanting plays right into Starmers hands right now.

The approach the left Dems took after Bidens confirmation as candidate would’ve been much more productive: conditional support rather than outright opposition.

With the end result of rolling over anyway.

 

[shmmeee]

With the end result of rolling over anyway.

But more influence. Compare what’s likely to pass under Biden with what passes under Obama.

What you call rolling over is smart negotiation. They’re getting more than they did by asking for way more then rolling back as a compromise.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But more influence. Compare what’s likely to pass under Biden with what passes under Obama.

What you call rolling over is smart negotiation. They’re getting more than they did by asking for way more then rolling back as a compromise.

What I call rolling over is when push comes to shove going along with something you don’t really believe in. All Starmer is missing is a figure like Bernie to get the left all to fall in line and be quiet

 

[shmmeee]

What I call rolling over is when push comes to shove going along with something you don’t really believe in. All Starmer is missing is a figure like Bernie to get the left all to fall in line and be quiet

That’s politics unless you live in a dictatorship.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What I call rolling over is when push comes to shove going along with something you don’t really believe in. All Starmer is missing is a figure like Bernie to get the left all to fall in line and be quiet

Whilst I do agree with the sentiment and I get immensely frustrated when I have to accept something that I know could be better, often the alternative is to get nothing at all. Surely it is better to take a small step in the right direction which will give you a better starting position to renegotiate later, however frustrating that is.

It's being pragmatic. Obama knew he was never going to get a universal healthcare system through so he got something that will help pave the way in future. Same as you'd never get a ban on guns at the moment so you get more stringent checks and try to limit the types of guns and where they can be carried. It's nowhere near enough but it puts you in a better position for the future to get there in the end.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Whilst I do agree with the sentiment and I get immensely frustrated when I have to accept something that I know could be better, often the alternative is to get nothing at all. Surely it is better to take a small step in the right direction which will give you a better starting position to renegotiate later, however frustrating that is.

It's being pragmatic. Obama knew he was never going to get a universal healthcare system through so he got something that will help pave the way in future. Same as you'd never get a ban on guns at the moment so you get more stringent checks and try to limit the types of guns and where they can be carried. It's nowhere near enough but it puts you in a better position for the future to get there in the end.

With respect the Obama stuff is nonsense. He had a supermajority and had just been elected. He didn’t go for universal healthcare because he didn’t really believe in it himself, same as Biden. The American people are in favour of single payer healthcare, the corrupt politicians are not. Go figure