Philosoraptor
Well-Known Member
Going well then..
Labour actually just held onto a seat in Sunderland.
Labour actually just held onto a seat in Sunderland.
But there’s no chance of that happening is there? Labour have said they won’t entertain FoM and there’s no way the Tories ever will.
Yes it was - but all the noise behind it was about a PV because the public (Leave voters in essence) didn’t know what they voted for.
I hope you are right to be honest. But as Brighton said, we need things like FoM but now even Labour have doubled down and said they won’t restore it… ☹
Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
Single issue independent boost, at a guess.Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
Ah, the answer's in there:Single issue independent boost, at a guess.
Independent is former Labour candidate.
But there’s no chance of that happening is there? Labour have said they won’t entertain FoM and there’s no way the Tories ever will.
When migrants were (not sure if are post-Brexit) net contributors to the economy, it only impacts public services if there's a political decision not to spend said surplus on said services.which is unsustainable as it impacts public services
When migrants were (not sure if are post-Brexit) net contributors to the economy, it only impacts public services if there's a political decision not to spend said surplus on said services.
But it's been pretty consistent that economic migrants are of net benefit. You can knock out asylum seekers... who any self-respecting civilised country will be processing regardless of freedom of movement.There’s always going to be a lag though NW. If 400k turn up tomorrow that need housing, kids teaching, GP appointments etc there’s no control. That’s a city the size of Cov. What happened if 600k turned up one year ? What happens to wages for certain jobs ? House/rent prices etc ?
I’ve never questioned whether migrants contribute, most do and most, or certainly ones I’ve worked with or come across have a great work ethic. It’s needed, we’re an aging population. However, with uncontrolled migration you can get an oversupply and then an overreliance in certain sectors, leading to wage suppression. many will also be lower skilled so pay less into the pot over shorter periods of time. There’s no build up of contributions
ps I’ve said 100 times before if the EU had offered any semblance of control Remain would’ve won comfortably. People say there’s levers that couldve been pulled, I think only one, small EU country ever has. These are short term, temporary controls. I accept that successive governments should’ve done more however they all relied on the superficial/short term economic benefits of cheap labour though
Freedom of movement impacted positively on public servicesI can’t quite believe there is still this misconception about Brexit/migration. Excluding the racist nutters, most leave voters are quite happy to have controlled migration and understand it’s needed. It was the uncontrolled nature of EU FOM that most had an issue with ie running at net 300k to 400k total net migration a year, which is unsustainable as it impacts public services, especially in high migrant towns/cities, as well as suppresses wages in certain (not all) sectors.
A return to total FOM isn’t needed. A sensible/flexible migration policy where you encourage people required to fill skill or job shortages is, whether those people come from the EU, Australia, America, India shouldn’t matter. It’s not rocket science yet some Remainers and more worrying, some in government, don’t appear to get this
But it's been pretty consistent that economic migrants are of net benefit. You can knock out asylum seekers... who any self-respecting civilised country will be processing regardless of freedom of movement.
I'm not going to argue against the wage suppression but... it's also a form of levelling up, too. What we *should* be doing is setting the conditions so our wages are higher *regardless* of freedom of movement or not, but that doesn't suit a purely profit driven system to do that, so FOM is a bit of a red herring there. What we shouldn't be doing, however, is being quite so insular -imagine if people couldn't go to Birmingham or Nottingham for work, despite the better opportunitie there...
Tories + 5mBoris Johnson having to have farming explained to him like a simpleton
Run Boris run
State of him.
I've just had a headline from the mail come up on Upday on my phone saying thay 3 Labour MPs have opened comms to the Tory Whip and are on the verge of defecting to the Tories because they are disillusioned with Kier Starmer. Wtf??
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So is it CO2, inability to slaughter them or Chop them up .Boris Johnson having to have farming explained to him like a simpleton
Running in school shoes….Run Boris run
State of him.
It's our Boris. He can do what he wants because any alternative is worse, apparently.Running in school shoes….
Also see Blair's managed to avoid £300k in stamp duty.
All the liberals think he’s a modern day Jesus.....and is complicit in the death of about 500k Iraqis......but hey ho....I know which the UK public will be more up in arms over.....
All the liberals think he’s a modern day Jesus.
The UK never bothered to implement the rules that were there, such as having people register for residency and prove that they have a work contract or are paying taxes and NI to have access to healthcare, public services etc.There’s always going to be a lag though NW. If 400k turn up tomorrow that need housing, kids teaching, GP appointments etc there’s no control. That’s a city the size of Cov. What happened if 600k turned up one year ? What happens to wages for certain jobs ? House/rent prices etc ?
I’ve never questioned whether migrants contribute, most do and most, or certainly ones I’ve worked with or come across have a great work ethic. It’s needed, we’re an aging population. However, with uncontrolled migration you can get an oversupply and then an overreliance in certain sectors, leading to wage suppression. many will also be lower skilled so pay less into the pot over shorter periods of time. There’s no build up of contributions
ps I’ve said 100 times before if the EU had offered any semblance of control Remain would’ve won comfortably. People say there’s levers that couldve been pulled, I think only one, small EU country ever has. These are short term, temporary controls. I accept that successive governments should’ve done more however they all relied on the superficial/short term economic benefits of cheap labour though
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