Do you want to discuss boring politics? (20 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 8, 2021

Philosorapter said:
I think King Djer of Ancient Egypt had the right idea.

When the king died many of the courtiers followed him into the afterlife as well.

I am not saying ritual sacrifice is the way forward for the Labour Party but if we had a clean sweep of Labour councillors and MPs who supported a former leader from power then we could get away from this idea of certain Labour members of trying to get hold of power, and then keep it mentality that so many of them have when they chuck their ethics and morality out of the window in the pursuit of power.

The biggest obstacle to power any party has is waiting till there is a sufficient change of guard in the running of a political party at all levels. There is a reason why people are not voting Labour, and I don't think it has much to do with policy.

If you remove Labour and put in Tory that's exactly the same. Possibly even more so.

They support whoever the leader is until the see a chance to seize power then stick the knife in. No morals, no ethics, just a desire for power. Then everyone gets behind them until they see a chance and so on. It tends to be the same people in and around the top for ages. There is very little changing of the guard. Given the utter shitshow of the moment surely you believe anyone who has supported Johnson should be removed and barred from standing in future.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 8, 2021

shmmeee said:
Even under PR your vote could mean nothing. And you’ll get a random MP you have no say in you can’t remove.

I’m not sure no need to compromise with the majority and nothing but safe seat MPs is good for democracy.

Id rather STV or similar I think.

Rehashing my cinema analogy it's like one person wanting to see an action movie, the other an art house film so you end up going to watch a rom-com instead. You've reached an agreement but both of you are sitting there thinking "I don't really want to watch this."

shmmeee · Oct 8, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Rehashing my cinema analogy it's like one person wanting to see an action movie, the other an art house film so you end up going to watch a rom-com instead. You've reached an agreement but both of you are sitting there thinking "I don't really want to watch this."

Theres always going to be that issue until you have pure democracy (which is a terrible idea IMO).

Really we probably need to bite the bullet and go for a presidential system as we basically vote like that anyway.

chiefdave · Oct 8, 2021

Went down a google wormhole reading about different voting systems and found a report on a meeting of specialists in voting procedures to discuss which system worked best. FPTP came bottom of the pile.

https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00609810/document

Grendel · Oct 8, 2021

chiefdave said:
Went down a google wormhole reading about different voting systems and found a report on a meeting of specialists in voting procedures to discuss which system worked best. FPTP came bottom of the pile.

https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00609810/document

Yeah we'd rather have a PR system like say in Italy that creates about 30 governments in 40 years. How has it not worked in your view?

shmmeee · Oct 8, 2021

Fucking shameful this

shmmeee · Oct 8, 2021

chiefdave said:
Went down a google wormhole reading about different voting systems and found a report on a meeting of specialists in voting procedures to discuss which system worked best. FPTP came bottom of the pile.

https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00609810/document

Problem is like all progressive policies 50% want nothing to change and the other 50% are split eight ways about what change to make.

Philosoraptor · Oct 8, 2021

skybluetony176 · Oct 8, 2021

Grendel said:
Yeah we'd rather have a PR system like say in Italy that creates about 30 governments in 40 years. How has it not worked in your view?

Italy also operates a parallel voting system that combines FPTP with PR. Their far right want to change that to FPTP only. Funny that.

Evo1883 · Oct 8, 2021

wingy · Oct 9, 2021

More evidence of my Marxian economics , let's introduce a gas levy.
Mmm some more lovely tax,such a luxury that it is.

skybluetony176 · Oct 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Fucking shameful this

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#levellingup

skybluetony176 · Oct 9, 2021

wingy said:
More evidence of my Marxian economics , let's introduce a gas levy.
Mmm some more lovely tax,such a luxury that it is.

Thank god I’m not watching strictly. They got an all male couple this year and I heard it can make you gay just looking at them. It’s the subliminal gay gene through my TV. Fact.

shmmeee · Oct 9, 2021

Not to go full Tony here, but I see Isabelle Oakshott is saying we’re bad parents and bad Christians who don’t know the meaning of Christmas if we want a turkey and presents for the kids.

Piss off Izzy the true meaning of Christmas in my house is presents and gluttony. Deal with it.

CCFCSteve · Oct 9, 2021

Evo1883 said:

Not surprised mate. The fact that it settled down across most of the country after a few days (because most had more fuel than they needed) was a decent indicator. If there were proper shortages/supply issues they’d still be problems across the whole country now.

I see the media are now whipping up panic buying at supermarkets . There are no doubt some supply pressures and delays in deliveries but nothing that significantly impacts people’s lives...until the selfish idiots head out and buy ten of everything.....just incase !

fernandopartridge · Oct 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Not to go full Tony here, but I see Isabelle Oakshott is saying we’re bad parents and bad Christians who don’t know the meaning of Christmas if we want a turkey and presents for the kids.

Piss off Izzy the true meaning of Christmas in my house is presents and gluttony. Deal with it.

She was going on about Christmas being cancelled due to lockdown closing shops, pubs and restaurants last year

Ian1779 · Oct 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Not to go full Tony here, but I see Isabelle Oakshott is saying we’re bad parents and bad Christians who don’t know the meaning of Christmas if we want a turkey and presents for the kids.

Piss off Izzy the true meaning of Christmas in my house is presents and gluttony. Deal with it.

She’s a proper fucking crank - will change her opinion on a whim to distract from the shit show.

clint van damme · Oct 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Not to go full Tony here, but I see Isabelle Oakshott is saying we’re bad parents and bad Christians who don’t know the meaning of Christmas if we want a turkey and presents for the kids.

Piss off Izzy the true meaning of Christmas in my house is presents and gluttony. Deal with it.

nice to know she's so invested in the story of a non white immigrant family.

Nick · Oct 9, 2021

Evo1883 said:

Didn't normal people know that though?

Evo1883 · Oct 9, 2021

Nick said:
Didn't normal people know that though?

Yes but it need to be confirmed on here

wingy · Oct 9, 2021

Shit we're taking a lot of heat on the economy currently.
Let's go boat watching.

wingy · Oct 9, 2021

Frigging Lebanon poor bugger's .
No electricity after all that has hit them .

Skybluefaz · Oct 9, 2021

There is an endless stream of these idiots isn't there?

clint van damme · Oct 9, 2021

wingy · Oct 9, 2021

This is intriguing.

Austria: Chancellor Sebastian Kurz steps down to 'refute and disprove' corruption allegations

Sebastian Kurz denies any wrongdoing and says the allegations are "false", adding that he is stepping down to "prevent chaos and ensure stability".

news.sky.com

Sick Boy · Oct 10, 2021

I see De Pfeffel has headed off to Spain for a holiday.

PVA · Oct 10, 2021

What is wrong with these twats

clint van damme · Oct 10, 2021

PVA said:
What is wrong with these twats

What an arsehole. As if there aren't more important things to worry about at the moment.
This is the tory equivalent of Labour banging on about can a man identify as a woman.

PVA · Oct 10, 2021

Also, this Tory campaign to get people back in the office is getting desperate.

IF YOU WORK FROM HOME YOU'RE HELPING THE TALIBAN!!

PEOPLE STILL WENT TO WORK EVEN WHEN GETTING BOMBED!!

clint van damme · Oct 10, 2021

PVA said:
Also, this Tory campaign to get people back in the office is getting desperate.

IF YOU WORK FROM HOME YOU'RE HELPING THE TALIBAN!!

PEOPLE STILL WENT TO WORK EVEN WHEN GETTING BOMBED!!

Tories getting worried about their commercial property portfolios.

wingy · Oct 10, 2021

Behind a paywall unfortunately.
Unless anyone subscribes and can paste.

Will ‘Red Tory’ Johnsonism win the next election or collapse under its own contradictions?

A small part of Boris Johnson still does not quite believe his luck. When he was wheeled into a drinks reception on Monday night at the Conservative Party confe

www.thetimes.co.uk

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 10, 2021

Ian1779 said:
They would - so to get Labour into ‘power’ they are going to have to form some kind of progress alliance with the SNP, Greens, PC and probably even LD, and a proper strategy of standing down candidates based on the make-up of the individual seats.

I don’t get what is progressive about wanting to break the country up with SNP and PC.

PVA · Oct 10, 2021

clint van damme said:
Tories getting worried about their commercial property portfolios.

Oh yeah I'm fully aware of their reasoning, just saying they're getting a bit desperate if they're resorting to saying that people WFH helps the taliban

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 10, 2021

PVA said:
Oh yeah I'm fully aware of their reasoning, just saying they're getting a bit desperate if they're resorting to saying that people WFH helps the taliban

No more stupid than the libellous comments about Corbyn being a commie collaborator

clint van damme · Oct 10, 2021

PVA said:
Oh yeah I'm fully aware of their reasoning, just saying they're getting a bit desperate if they're resorting to saying that people WFH helps the taliban

Unfortunately we live in a country where a large number of people fall for this bollocks.

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