Philosoraptor
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Philosoraptor
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I think Labour is now waiting for the results of the Unison labour link elections.
There will be a huge power shift within Labour if the left wins it.
There will be a huge power shift within Labour if the left wins it.
Sky Blue Pete
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Similar colour though
Philosoraptor
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Seat projection from this latest poll puts Labour on 8 seats worse than the 2019 General Election, and the worse set of results since 1935.
Philosoraptor
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Meanwhile in Scotland
Aberdeen Labour, the ones that got suspended from the Labour party for going into a council alliance with the tory's instead of the SNP have been told that their suspension was factional and they are having a vote to see if they are going to be reinstated.
Expect Labour to be out of power in Scotland for decades to come.
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Aberdeen Labour, the ones that got suspended from the Labour party for going into a council alliance with the tory's instead of the SNP have been told that their suspension was factional and they are having a vote to see if they are going to be reinstated.
Expect Labour to be out of power in Scotland for decades to come.
2017 Aberdeen City Council election - Wikipedia
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Astute
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Wee Krankie is the same as Boris. Most people don't want them in power but the rest of the votes are shared between too many parties.Meanwhile in Scotland
Aberdeen Labour, the ones that got suspended from the Labour party for going into a council alliance with the tory's instead of the SNP have been told that their suspension was factional and they are having a vote to see if they are going to be reinstated.
Expect Labour to be out of power in Scotland for decades to come.
2017 Aberdeen City Council election - Wikipedia
Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s been said numerous times before, three years is a long time in politics. Watch the Blair and Brown doc for proof. Anything could happen.
I can still see Labour possibly getting into power with minority government/coalition with Lib Dems and Greens and with more informal vote by vote agreement with SNP
If Scotland voted independent then that’s a massive issue though.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not going to happen, England seems destined to be a Tory rump as the working classes culturally have realigned with the Tories and too many in middle England see Labour as a threat rather than an opportunity. Wales will stay as it is, Scotland thanks to the electoral maths will go sooner or later and in any case Labour aren’t even the opposition.
Just feel more out of place in this country the more time goes on.
No point worrying about it until next election. As I say, times change. Biggest issue Labour have got is Johnson appears to be relatively big state....well at the moment. If Labour try to move to the left of that I agree with you, they’ll struggle but as I’ve said before they are likely to compete on competence.
Depending on split of left vote in certain constituencies Lib Dems could pick up a some Tory seats as well
Astute
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Can't see Scotland voting for independence. It is a case of those shouting the loudest getting heard but they are not stupid. They are not financially self sufficient these days. It would also be difficult for them to rejoin the EU even if they were wanted. Would we need a solid border? Would they have to change from the GBP?
Agree, logically it doesn’t make sense but she’ll play on emotion and worry about the rest later (EU vote on steroids !!!). I agree, they’re more likely to remain though but again, a lot depends on timing
hill83
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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A lot of the same arguments that were used for Brexit. Do not underestimate what a bit of jingoistic tubthumping can do.
skybluetony176
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There’s actually a very reasonable argument that once Northern Ireland leave the UK Scotland follows. And given how that’s going to increase the EU’s territorial waters I would think that the EU would bend over backwards to make it happen.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Once one goes the rest will too. Which is why more people here should care about it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Labour need to gain over 100 seats to even get near forming a government. And even if this somehow happened it’s going to be a contest between who can rip on public services and young people the most to clinch the 50+ Daily Mail vote.
My main gripe is just being in a real minority of opinion in a country that’s drifting further right
Astute
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People are afraid of voting for a left wing party. It is as simple as that.
Look at the last time Labour got in. They were more like the Tories than the Tories were.
Astute
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Didn't work last time in Scotland but if you believed what was being said at the time you would have thought it would at least be close.
skybluetony176
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It’s difficult to see how Scotland can loose out if it left the UK and rejoined or in actual fact didn’t rejoin the EU. Yes England is still Scotland’s biggest trading partner but given we can’t afford to police the border with the EU and just wave goods through the same is going to happen with Scottish goods. Scotland’s trade with Northern Ireland and Ireland which has been damaged by Brexit can be restored, Scottish farmers can regain access to the common market, Scottish fishermen can regain access to the common market. Struggling to see how Scotland leaving the UK is going to harm them, can only see benefits. Certainly makes more sense than brexit and that’s entirely on brexit. Brexit has tipped the scales for Scotland if you ask me even before you consider that Scotland voted remain. In fact Scotland voting remain isn’t even relevant anymore.
Astute
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This just shows you don't have a clue.
The common market was what we joined. It became the EU.
So you think that Scotland could have an open border with England but could also join the EU?
skybluetony176
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The EU has an open border with the UK right now. We’re not checking goods coming into the UK from the EU. The only border we’re policing is the one we’ve put in the Irish Sea cutting the UK in two. The only people implementing brexit and policing the EU border with the UK is the EU. You should try understanding what’s actually happening before accusing others of not having a clue.
Astute
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Wrong. But also not what you stated.
And what about this common market you say about and how do you explain Scotland joining the EU without a solid border between Scotland and England? Would be more of a hard sell than Ireland is.
Grendel
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You can't actually join the EU unless you meet certain criteria which Scotland don't - the implication the EU will just break their own rules to suit is also hardly a ringing endorsement of the EU and an admission they are chancers. Either way its impossible to join the Euro on day one so the Westminster parliament needs to suspend the pound the minute the referendum is concluded if its is independence - no country in existence has created a currency in a day and Scotland would be looking at Zimbabwe inflation levels
skybluetony176
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We don’t police the border between the UK and EU for goods. We are waving goods arriving from the EU straight through. The EU doesn’t have hard borders with many non EU countries. A soft land border between Endland and Scotland as an EU member has a precedent.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Last time they hadn't had a referendum where immediately after they voted to stay the govt backtracked massively on the promises made to them and turned into a conversation about what it meant for England. Lib Dems were in coalition at the time and at the time they polled well in Scotland. Now it's full-on Tory and looks like remaining that way for some time to come, not to mention that this shower are totally incompetent, self-serving and South-East/Londoncentric. Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU.
The GE prior to the independence ref the SNP had 6 seats and got just under 500k votes. The one after got 56 seats and nearly 1.5m votes. 2017 they lost a bit but 2019 they went back up to 48 seats and 1.25m votes.
There is a part of me right now that would love to be able to claim independence from the dickheads in Westminster and I'm English. So god knows how I'd feel if I was Scottish.
If you think the situation is the same as last time then I think you've got your head in the sand.
The irony for me is the person most likely to put Scots off independence is Sturgeon, while the ones most likely to make them vote to leave the Union is Boris and the Tories.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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News that a Tory MP has been stabbed.
Totally unacceptable and I hope the MP makes a quick and full recovery.
Totally unacceptable and I hope the MP makes a quick and full recovery.
skybluetony176
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Neither did East Germany when it joined. Also Scotland doesn’t have to specifically rejoin the EU to gain access to the single market.
Jesus Christ. Zimbabwean inflation levels. Even by your standards that’s a serious piece of whataboutery. Zimbabwe is a good example of dismissing your claims about no country ever creating a currency in a day. Zimbabwe did just that and saw steady growth in its economy for about 2 decades until the land reforms, which along with other awful decisions in the same period triggered hyperinflation.
hill83
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MP Sir David Amess stabbed at constituency meeting
Police say a man was arrested and a knife was recovered after the incident in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex.
www.bbc.com
Fucking dickheads. The country has gone mad.
skybluetony176
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Worrying.
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Yeah lunatic, totally unacceptableMP Sir David Amess stabbed at constituency meeting
Police say a man was arrested and a knife was recovered after the incident in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex.
Fucking dickheads. The country has gone mad.
shmmeee
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Not sure how you figure that. We’ve got the most left wing Tory govenrment of my lifetime right now.
shmmeee
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MP Sir David Amess stabbed at constituency meeting
Police say a man was arrested and a knife was recovered after the incident in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex.
Fucking dickheads. The country has gone mad.
Maniac. What is wrong with people?