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skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

Grendel said:
Tony has in the past voted

Green
Tory
Hated Jeremy corbyn
Voted Jeremy Corbyn
Against coalition government
Supported Lib Dem coalition
Hated Ed Milliband
Love Ed Milliband
Defended a sky blue Trust guys right to post stuff from Tommy Robinson
Ukip

Tony knows what he voted for

Green yes
Tory yes
Was never against the coalition, I actually voted Lib Dem in that general election because a coalition was the outcome I wanted.
Never hated Ed Milliband just never voted for him. Acknowledged he owned Boris when deputising at PMQ’s.
Nobody has excused more Tommy Robinson fan boys on here more than you, most of which ended banned but only after you and them exchanged likes for each other’s posts like kisses to each other.
You accuse others that voted for Nigel Ferage as supporting a racist and then went on to not only vote for Ferage, labelled him the man and made him your avatar.

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

TomRad85 said:
This is what I mean, he's all over the place. Clearly gets super wound up by what he consumes and for now at least that's left wing propaganda, and you better believe he'll just keep beating us over the head with it.

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I quoted the PM directly. Not sure how you ca contrive that as propaganda.

Here he is

jimmyhillsfanclub · Oct 17, 2021

Tough one isn't it....but surely on twitter, for example, you could make it mandatory to provide a credit card or similar upon account creation....you can still call yourself rimplestiltskin but atleast rimplestiltskin has a trace.....
It would also provide an opportunity for underage accounts to be deleted or overseen by the card holder as guarantor?
Obviously twitter wouldn't like it cos it'd fuck their bottom line...
....if all the above is jibber jabber my excuse is 2 beers and a bottle or pinot noun. Cheers

PVA · Oct 17, 2021

Full Raab quote.

“We will get into the habit of legislating on a more periodic basis and thinking about the mechanism for that,” he said. “Where there have been judgments that – albeit properly and duly delivered by the courts – we think are wrong, the right thing is for parliament to legislate to correct them.”

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

Grendel said:
he’s a classic vessel for these things - he’s just stupid and swallows the populism of the day

Didn’t you vote for brexit, then Ferages brexit party, then Boris and a massive populist majority? You probably shouldn’t go around labelling people stupid when you not only spectacularly fail to understand what populist is you also vote for the “populism of the day”.

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

TomRad85 said:
Sigh.

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Facts can be painful.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 17, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
but surely on twitter, for example, you could make it mandatory to provide a credit card or similar upon account creation

But then do I want to hand over my card details to somebody? tbh I'm not keen when buying things, but just as ID...?

Maybe we need a national ID card

TomRad85 · Oct 17, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Facts can be painful.

What facts? What did you just show me that disproved anything I've said about you. You swallow propaganda like a fat kid swallowing cake.
Regarding the clip... what am I looking at? Was this women attempting to point score following the death of an MP? Should she have balanced her rant with examples of hateful speech from her own party members? I don't understand the rules anymore and I'm not sure you do either.

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jimmyhillsfanclub · Oct 17, 2021

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But then do I want to hand over my card details to somebody? tbh I'm not keen when buying things, but just as ID...?

Maybe we need a national ID card

Get out of town....no I'd cards fuck you very much.

...we could start to treat Facebook and Twitter as publishers.....let them clean their own shitty doorstep

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

clint van damme said:
You not heard the tape?
Or the homophobic comments? (Tank top bum boys).
Or the racism (picaninnie smiles).
Or the domestic abuse incident (when he was PM)
But you crack on with your disingenuous outrage . Ignore the next time a Labour MP is the victim and start bumping you gums when it's a tory.

You can have the last word because I didn't want to get drawn into this on the back of a man's murder and have already said more than I wanted to.

This tape?

chiefdave · Oct 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
-5

I’m not anonymous and it just leads to more personal attacks TBH. People online are mental and will dig through your life and try and contact your work and family because of something you said online.

As I say it’s completely unworkable without shutting off the rest of the net and having some kind of great British Firewall like the Russians and Chinese.

Sadly I'd have to agree. I don't go out of my way to hide who I am and I've had threats via Facebook related to things I've posted on here.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 17, 2021

chiefdave said:
and I've had threats via Facebook related to things I've posted on here.

Got to ask which posts!

chiefdave · Oct 17, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Got to ask which posts!

Things about the stadium dispute. I know I'm not the only one that was on the receiving end of those messages at the time.

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

TomRad85 said:
What facts? What did you just show me that disproved anything I've said about you. You swallow propaganda like a fat kid swallowing cake.
Regarding the clip... what am I looking at? Was this women attempting to point score following the death of an MP? Should she have balanced her rant with examples of hateful speech from her own party members? I don't understand the rules anymore and I'm not sure you do either.

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So she’s lying then. He admits the language in the clip and then dismissed the reaction, much like yourself. What propaganda am I buying exactly when he’s on public record. I’ve not accused him of saying nothing he hasn’t said. She’s talking about her own personal experience from a reaction to what the PM has said. What is it you’re suggesting exactly? I can only see one of two possibilities. Either you’re saying that she and other MP’s including Tories at that time are lying that they’ve received specific threats of violence including rape and murder using Boris’ words of betrayal, surrender etc. Or are you saying Boris has a special privilege that means he’s beyond reproach for his conduct?

COV · Oct 17, 2021

chiefdave said:
Sadly I'd have to agree. I don't go out of my way to hide who I am and I've had threats via Facebook related to things I've posted on here.

Really? I can’t imagine you saying anything to provoke that kind of stuff. Could see some on here attracting that kind of attention, not you though.

I’m not saying you’re boring btw , you don’t seem as obnoxious like some on here though

shmmeee · Oct 17, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Tough one isn't it....but surely on twitter, for example, you could make it mandatory to provide a credit card or similar upon account creation....you can still call yourself rimplestiltskin but atleast rimplestiltskin has a trace.....
It would also provide an opportunity for underage accounts to be deleted or overseen by the card holder as guarantor?
Obviously twitter wouldn't like it cos it'd fuck their bottom line...
....if all the above is jibber jabber my excuse is 2 beers and a bottle or pinot noun. Cheers

Leaving aside the issues with handing my CC details out to a bunch of random sites, the main problem is how would Twitter enforce it? They aren’t going to do it for every country so do you anonymous accts abroad we can’t see or just for British users? If iFollow can’t stop me being Dutch every Saturday afternoon so doubt Twitter can.

Marty · Oct 17, 2021

chiefdave said:
Sadly I'd have to agree. I don't go out of my way to hide who I am and I've had threats via Facebook related to things I've posted on here.

How do people find out who you are?

COV · Oct 17, 2021

Marty said:
How do people find out who you are?

Are you worried now?

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

TomRad85 said:
I can't be bothered with you. I actually think you are slightly mad. As I said, find something else to do occasionally.

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Okay. You flounce of then. Bye.

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2021

TomRad85 said:
Bye Tony. I look forward to your next post. I'm sure it'll be truly enlightening with absolutely no hint of hysterical bullshit.

You okay hun?

Marty · Oct 17, 2021

COV said:
Are you worried now?

About?

COV · Oct 17, 2021

TomRad85 said:
Well I'm mentally stable

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You’re in the wrong place here then m8

chiefdave · Oct 17, 2021

COV said:
Really? I can’t imagine you saying anything to provoke that kind of stuff. Could see some on here attracting that kind of attention, not you though.

It was years ago so can't remember exactly what it was but it was basically around the time things were starting to come out about the dispute and that the blame might not 100% lie with SISU. Mine was just 'we know who you are', well obviously if you're messaging me on Facebook, and 'we know where you work', unlikely my employer would fire me for saying SISU might not being entirely to blame for us being in Northampton. It was laughable really but I know others got similar and some people got messages threatening them with lawyers if they said anything against certain sides in the dispute.

Marty said:
How do people find out who you are?

Don't really hide it to be honest. Although if you google chiefdave and coventry now you get a lot of results for Dave Boddy as he's usually referred to as 'Coventry City chief Dave Boddy', he's done wonders for my online anonymity

jimmyhillsfanclub · Oct 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
Leaving aside the issues with handing my CC details out to a bunch of random sites, the main problem is how would Twitter enforce it? They aren’t going to do it for every country so do you anonymous accts abroad we can’t see or just for British users? If iFollow can’t stop me being Dutch every Saturday afternoon so doubt Twitter can.

No one is forcing anyone to sign up to random social media sites.....and any site that held your card details would be subject to the same scrutiny and rules as retailers are now.....

...also Twitter dont need to enforce anything other than be strict on only registering actual real adults....not kids or bots etc.
It's also a backup so when rimplestiltskin tweets to threatens rashford or sancho cos they missed a pen, the old bill can go and kick his/her/their door in

....I dunno....I'm pissed. This place (which is fucking ace) is the only social medya use innit

shmmeee · Oct 17, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
No one is forcing anyone to sign up to random social media sites.....and any site that held your card details would be subject to the same scrutiny and rules as retailers are now.....

...also Twitter dont need to enforce anything other than be strict on only registering actual real adults....not kids or bots etc.
It's also a backup so when rimplestiltskin tweets to threatens rashford or sancho cos they missed a pen, the old bill can go and kick his/her/their door in

....I dunno....I'm pissed. This place (which is fucking ace) is the only social medya use innit

But the point is this is a U.K. law and Twitter is global. Unless we’re about to convince every country to do this or Twitter to restrict itself to just those countries that do anonymity will be only a VPN away.

They tried this with the wank pass and that was infinitely more workable than this.

Politicians don’t like to hear this but the internet was designed to enable free and anonymous exchange of information that routes around blocks. And there’s an army of programmers out there with an ideological dislike of authoritarian tech. Even Apple can’t make a fully secure system, even the Russia and Chinese can’t with all their power over their own citizens.

You either shut yourself off from the internet or you accept you don’t control it.

It’s King Cnut levels of delusion. Like promising you’ll make all rapists turn themselves in or stop it raining. It’s just not within their power.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Oct 18, 2021

shmmeee said:
But the point is this is a U.K. law and Twitter is global. Unless we’re about to convince every country to do this or Twitter to restrict itself to just those countries that do anonymity will be only a VPN away.

They tried this with the wank pass and that was infinitely more workable than this.

Politicians don’t like to hear this but the internet was designed to enable free and anonymous exchange of information that routes around blocks. And there’s an army of programmers out there with an ideological dislike of authoritarian tech. Even Apple can’t make a fully secure system, even the Russia and Chinese can’t with all their power over their own citizens.

You either shut yourself off from the internet or you accept you don’t control it.

It’s King Cnut levels of delusion. Like promising you’ll make all rapists turn themselves in or stop it raining. It’s just not within their power.

Yep....you're probably right....and with that in mind then, people on twitter have to accept that a proportion of its tweeters are rapists, murderers, racists , bullies & general grade A cunts......and so therefore if you're happy to play in the cesspit, you can't moan when you get covered in shit.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 18, 2021

PVA said:
Is this what they meant by taking back control?

This is perfectly normal and definitely not the actions of a banana Republic.

That is terrifying but as some have said will be sold as 'taking back control' when it fact it's an attempt by the government to control the judiciary. It's basically saying this government thinks it is above the law.

COV · Oct 18, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That is terrifying but as some have said will be sold as 'taking back control' when it fact it's an attempt by the government to control the judiciary. It's basically saying this government thinks it is above the law.

Are they not already?

PVA · Oct 18, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That is terrifying but as some have said will be sold as 'taking back control' when it fact it's an attempt by the government to control the judiciary. It's basically saying this government thinks it is above the law.

Absolutely.

But as with all this shit the government pulls it will be completely ignored by the media and 95 if not 99% of the population will be completely unaware of it.

It's just absurd they don't get taken to task on this kind of shit.

shmmeee · Oct 18, 2021

Thought this was interesting regarding polls:

Basically the polling hiding a swing to Labour because so many have gone to the Greens. Received wisdom holds that smaller parties inflate away from election periods and get squeezed back to the main parties closer to polling day, which would suggest polls are closer and also that Labour is picking up a decent amount of Leave voters.

TomRad85 · Oct 18, 2021

shmmeee said:
Thought this was interesting regarding polls:

Basically the polling hiding a swing to Labour because so many have gone to the Greens. Received wisdom holds that smaller parties inflate away from election periods and get squeezed back to the main parties closer to polling day, which would suggest polls are closer and also that Labour is picking up a decent amount of Leave voters.

It's not that surprising really, a lot of Labour leave voters held their nose and voted Tory as Labour were trying to stab them in the back. With that now done and with Corbyn gone some will revert to type, some won't.

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oakey · Oct 18, 2021

TomRad85 said:
It's not that surprising really, a lot of Labour leave voters held their nose and voted Tory as Labour were trying to stab them in the back. With that now done and with Corbyn gone some will revert to type, some won't.

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"Stab them in the back" or "Allow a chance for a rethink"?
Labour's timidity and fence sitting over Brexit lost both Leavers and Remainers as I feared it would all along.
From day one Labour should have labelled it "Tory Quitters" and had nothing to do with it. But we all know Labour was too divided and many on the left loved Brexit.

oakey · Oct 18, 2021

TomRad85 said:
No appetite for a rethink other than from those that didn't get their way I'm afraid. Should have stuck with the vote from day 1, their remain voters still wouldn't have voted Tory.

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That isn't true. Many Remain voters did vote Tory. They were persuaded that "Get Brexit done" was all that mattered. Yet the Tories and Brexit parties combined got under 50% of the vote. There was a potential to unite the anti-Brexit vote and then who knows what the GE would have seen, but Labour, under Corbyn seemed happy to facilitate Tory Brexit.

TomRad85 · Oct 18, 2021

oakey said:
That isn't true. Many Remain voters did vote Tory. They were persuaded that "Get Brexit done" was all that mattered. Yet the Tories and Brexit parties combined got under 50% of the vote. There was a potential to unite the anti-Brexit vote and then who knows what the GE would have seen, but Labour, under Corbyn seemed happy to facilitate Tory Brexit.

You think many Labour remain voters voted Tory? I think you're wrong.

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oakey · Oct 18, 2021

TomRad85 said:
You think many Labour remain voters voted Tory? I think you're wrong.

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I didn't say Labour Remain voters.
In any case, if you are Labour leaning and voted Leave why would you characterise Labour as backstabbing as opposed to allowing you to change your mind? You could still choose the Tories if you still wanted Brexit without feeling angry or aggrieved at Labour.
Chris Tarrant- is that your final answer?
Yes and stop trying to stab me in the back!

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