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[Grendel]

This is the only example I'm going to put on here, but a Tory MP joked about sending a bomb to a Labour MP only two weeks ago and I don't think it's been mentioned, the hypocrisy is off the scale.

You either say tone down the rhetoric and apply it to all sides or you don't.

I think its time it was toned down. I could point out several examples of hypocrisy by posters on this thread,they could probably do the same to me but I'm not going to because it just descends into more tit for tat bollocks and a mans murder becomes weaponised.

I think you miss the point

 

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[TomRad85]

How can I be talking shit when what I’ve said is factually correct. Just because you don’t like what I’ve said doesn’t make it shit.

There was a match thread yesterday you know, any danger of you entering one some day?

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[skybluetony176]

I think you miss the point

Easy done when there wasn’t one.

 

[Grendel]

There was a match thread yesterday you know, any danger of you entering one some day?

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when he’s accused of that he makes some half arsed effort to comment on football for a few days like o drivel - then reverts back to type

 

[skybluetony176]

There was a match thread yesterday you know, any danger of you entering one some day?

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I was on it, as I am on pretty much every match thread. Aside from that though, good response. Pointless response but A for effort.

 

[skybluetony176]

when he’s accused of that he makes some half arsed effort to comment on football for a few days like o drivel - then reverts back to type

Whoop whoop whoop. Stalker alert.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not even talking about you specifically Clint, I've not read all your posts. There's a lot of Rayner said this but this Tory said x, y and z. If you can't see it it's your bias showing. I'll remember that this is how it works next time someone on here flags something a Conservative says again and we'll just have another good old shit slinging contest. Excellent.

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Of course, but what we're specifically talking about here is inflammatory rhetoric.

We should either call it all out or accept it.

I wasn't bothered about Rayners comments, but on reflection you either slate that sort of stuff or you don't.

Same with the threats of violence and sexual violence across the board. Call it all out or don't mention it.

 

[clint van damme]

I think you miss the point

I think you do. Quite spectacularly.

 

[Grendel]

Of course, but what we're specifically talking about here is inflammatory rhetoric.

We should either call it all out or accept it.

I wasn't bothered about Rayners comments, but on reflection you either slate that sort of stuff or you don't.

Same with the threats of violence and sexual violence across the board. Call it all out or don't mention it.

Im not talking about inflammatory rhetoric

 

[clint van damme]

Im not talking about inflammatory rhetoric

OK, maybe I have missed the point. What are you talking about?

 

[PVA]

It's not so much the hypocrisy of 'Labour said this' 'Conservative said this' that annoys me. Each 'side' is entitled to point out something bad the other side has done.

What annoys me is the justifications and excuses for bad shit the Tories do. If someone points out something bad a Labour MP has done I think most, if not all, Labour supporters will say 'yeah fair enough that's out of order'

But when a Tory is pulled up for something all sorts of excuses and reasonings are pulled out the hat to defend it.

Just admit it was bad and move on. Don't try and defend racist remarks, for example, as has happened in here before.

 

[COV]

If it wasn’t for the fact that a bloke was murdered in barbaric circumstances, this would all be mildly entertaining. Everyone seems to be saying exactly the same thing, but nobody is willing to concede that they’ve done precisely what they’re accusing everyone else of doing.

 

[Grendel]

OK, maybe I have missed the point. What are you talking about?

Im talking about the subsequent epitaph from Rayner

she either thinks he’s racist scum or she doesn’t - she says she despises all Tories so be glad hes

she is trying to emulate her heroes - the likes of McDonnell and Corbyn who’ve seen it as there duty to make and support “direct action” against Tory MPs - all Tories are evil - you can’t then just say nice words on death and start all over again

one dead Tory is a start

I wished I’d killed Margaret thatcher

Degending the rights of a murderer of British MP

Every party has cranks. Labour have them in senior positions

frankly I don’t care. I want more of Rayner as it ensures the wilderness years carry on

 

[clint van damme]

Im talking about the subsequent epitaph from Rayner

she either thinks he’s racist scum or she doesn’t - she says she despises all Tories so be glad hes

she is trying to emulate her heroes - the likes of McDonnell and Corbyn who’ve seen it as there duty to make and support “direct action” against Tory MPs - all Tories are evil - you can’t then just say nice words on death and start all over again

one dead Tory is a start

I wished I’d killed Margaret thatcher

Degending the rights of a murderer of British MP

Every party has cranks. Labour have them in senior positions

frankly I don’t care. I want more of Rayner as it ensures the wilderness years carry on

But you don't bring up a tory joking about sending bombs to Labour MPs, you don't criticise the abuse and threats aimed at Abbott, I could go on and on.

 

[Grendel]

But you don't bring up a tory joking about sending bombs to Labour MPs, you don't criticise the abuse and threats aimed at Abbott, I could go on and on.

As I’ve said you have cranks in all parties - they tend to be at the back of the room not at the front and determine the party direction

 

[clint van damme]

As I’ve said you have cranks in all parties - they tend to be at the back of the room not at the front and determine the party direction

Johnson is PM

 

[PVA]

As I’ve said you have cranks in all parties - they tend to be at the back of the room not at the front and determine the party direction

Ministers - GOV.UK - GOV.UK

www.gov.uk

 

[Grendel]

Johnson is PM

Johnson hadn’t labelled all opposition scum at a party conference and hasn’t laughed when a Tory M.P. dies and said it’s a start and hasn’t to my knowledge been arrested and detained for defending Ira bombers

But again I don’t care. I want more of Rayner and I kind it when Len and Jeremy come out as these people are massive electoral turn offs.

They want a class war - we’ve moved on it’s not 1970 any more

 

[clint van damme]

Johnson hadn’t labelled all opposition scum at a party conference and hasn’t laughed when a Tory M.P. dies and said it’s a start and hasn’t to my knowledge been arrested and detained for defending Ira bombers

But again I don’t care. I want more of Rayner and I kind it when Len and Jeremy come out as these people are massive electoral turn offs.

They want a class war - we’ve moved on it’s not 1970 any more

Johnson has got a huge charge sheet, he's actually facilitated an assault. Admittedly not all while in number 10, but you're proving my point.
Either call it all out or accept it.

 

[shmmeee]

If it wasn’t for the fact that a bloke was murdered in barbaric circumstances, this would all be mildly entertaining. Everyone seems to be saying exactly the same thing, but nobody is willing to concede that they’ve done precisely what they’re accusing everyone else of doing.

Spot on

 

[Grendel]

Johnson has got a huge charge sheet, he's actually facilitated an assault. Admittedly not all while in number 10, but you're proving my point.
Either call it all out or accept it.

The assault is a total allegation and again your completely ignoring the issue yet at election time you lose time and time again

 

[clint van damme]

The assault is a total allegation and again your completely ignoring the issue yet at election time you lose time and time again

You not heard the tape?
Or the homophobic comments? (Tank top bum boys).
Or the racism (picaninnie smiles).
Or the domestic abuse incident (when he was PM)
But you crack on with your disingenuous outrage . Ignore the next time a Labour MP is the victim and start bumping you gums when it's a tory.

You can have the last word because I didn't want to get drawn into this on the back of a man's murder and have already said more than I wanted to.

 

[PVA]

Is this what they meant by taking back control?

This is perfectly normal and definitely not the actions of a banana Republic.

 

[clint van damme]

Is this what they meant by taking back control?

This is perfectly normal and definitely not the actions of a banana Republic.

That's frightening.

 

[Grendel]

Right now I have a bit more time to respond to this claptrap...

Firstly I am indeed trying to be a bit more mindful and reflect on my own thoughts. I no longer consume news stories designed to annoy me and I pay little to no attention to what lunatics on social media think. Both things you do literally all the time and then post on here, to what end I have no idea?

Who is this 'far right' you speak of for example and why do you care? What are the odd balls on the 'far left' upto? Busy celebrating the death of a good man. Well congratulations Tony, I hope you're happy to be on the side of moral good.

As I've said before, I don't think you're a bad man but you really need to do yourself a favour and leave the politics alone occasionally.

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Tony has in the past voted

Green
Tory
Hated Jeremy corbyn
Voted Jeremy Corbyn
Against coalition government
Supported Lib Dem coalition
Hated Ed Milliband
Love Ed Milliband
Defended a sky blue Trust guys right to post stuff from Tommy Robinson
Ukip

Tony knows what he voted for

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Is this what they meant by taking back control?

This is perfectly normal and definitely not the actions of a banana Republic.

Problem is most people won't appreciate how dangerous this is.

 

[Grendel]

Problem is most people won't appreciate how dangerous this is.

what - newspaper links without evidence?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

what - newspaper links without evidence?

I am talking about the idea of such a thing happening. Hopefully it is only a newspaper report and there is no truth behind it.

 

[Grendel]

This is what I mean, he's all over the place. Clearly gets super wound up by what he consumes and for now at least that's left wing propaganda, and you better believe he'll just keep beating us over the head with it.

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he’s a classic vessel for these things - he’s just stupid and swallows the populism of the day

 

[PVA]

what - newspaper links without evidence?

They are direct quotes from Raab.

UK will seek to ‘correct’ rulings by European Court of Human Rights

Raab questions role of Strasbourg judges

www.politico.eu

 

[shmmeee]

Have we discussed Patels response to this (remove anonymity online)?

Seems mental. It’s the Wank Pass all over again. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for politicians to understand it’s completely impossible to do.

 

[Grendel]

Have we discussed Patels response to this (remove anonymity online)?

Seems mental. It’s the Wank Pass all over again. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for politicians to understand it’s completely impossible to do.

she said she couldn’t do it on the Marr show?

 

[shmmeee]

On a scale of 1-10 how much more polite do you think this forum would be though?

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-5

I’m not anonymous and it just leads to more personal attacks TBH. People online are mental and will dig through your life and try and contact your work and family because of something you said online.

As I say it’s completely unworkable without shutting off the rest of the net and having some kind of great British Firewall like the Russians and Chinese.

 

[TomRad85]

-5

I’m not anonymous and it just leads to more personal attacks TBH. People online are mental and will dig through your life and try and contact your work and family because of something you said online.

As I say it’s completely unworkable without shutting off the rest of the net and having some kind of great British Firewall like the Russians and Chinese.

Ah you're probably right, I think it would be more polite in general but the absolute lunatics could literally attempt to ruin your life. Good point.

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[Deleted member 5849]

I’m not anonymous and it just leads to more personal attacks TBH. People online are mental and will dig through your life and try and contact your work and family because of something you said online.

Plus if people are anonymous, someone being offensive to a random pseudonym is not as offensive as being it to your face.

And Nick will know enough about who most of us are, if it crossed the line to levels where the police would be interested.