skybluetony176
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The irony
The ironyHMRC to relocate to Newcastle office owned by Tory donors via tax haven
Deal is part of north-east regeneration scheme developed by property tycoons David and Simon Reubenwww.theguardian.com
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The irony
This is like something out of Catch 22.The irony
Fucking hell. Biggest cuts by every measurement possible in the police and it’s Dr Who’s fault.
Fucking hell. Biggest cuts by every measurement possible in the police and it’s Dr Who’s fault.
Wait until he finds out that he represents a party that gave the UK the first and second and only female PM’s the country has ever had.I think there's two totally different arguments to be made there , he's rolled them into 1 and made himself look a proper prick
There must be one hell of a prize this year for the winner of this year's Tory party "Who Can Say The Dumbest Thing" competition.
So many of them trying their hardest to win.
They’d never beat you to be fair
Another day, another Dorries blunder.
Waiting for all the Tories on here to tell me it’s a good job she’s not a minister
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Hope he's not saying voters are stupid as that's why Labour lost the last electionHe's released a statement to say that the point he was making was just too nuanced for us all and we're all too stupid to understand what he was saying
He's released a statement to say that the point he was making was just too nuanced for us all and we're all too stupid to understand what he was saying
Tony Blair says Keir Starmer is 'capable of governing' the UK
The triple election winner issued a vote of confidence in the current party chief - and called on him to go further in ousting hardline figureswww.mirror.co.uk
The only man to win Labour an election in what ? ..50 years
Basically says some of what I've said many times ... sadly I can't articulate my posts in a way that come over as such however , he's not wrong.
He’s wrong in the sense that the world is changed from 97 and what is needed has evolved.Tony Blair says Keir Starmer is 'capable of governing' the UK
The triple election winner issued a vote of confidence in the current party chief - and called on him to go further in ousting hardline figureswww.mirror.co.uk
The only man to win Labour an election in what ? ..50 years
Basically says some of what I've said many times ... sadly I can't articulate my posts in a way that come over as such however , he's not wrong.
Going back to the migrant situation, Diane Abbott would be in charge of sorting all that shit out. People won't vote for that.
Starmer I think does have some potential, however, he needs to clear out some of the shite that sits in the party.
But they would vote for a party that would have Priti Patel sorting it out...
Exactly.
How worrying is it that the labour option is even worse.
You cannot defend it. People will not vote for them whilst you have members like that.
The fact labour can still not win against one of the worst governments I can remember is entirely down to them.
This is what I never understand. People saying they will not vote for Labour because of people like that. But are willing to vote for a party with Johnson, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Raab, Dorries, Truss, Gove without even going into the backbenchers who say stuff like those on the UC uplift didn't need it but MP's can't be expected to get by on over £80k, or the guy who thinks criminality in young males is increasing because Dr. Who is now a woman.
These people are just as bad as anything Labour has so if you're using the excuse you can't vote for Labour because of who is in their party then you have absolutely no reason whatsoever to vote for the Tories either.
This is what I never understand. People saying they will not vote for Labour because of people like that. But are willing to vote for a party with Johnson, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Raab, Dorries, Truss, Gove without even going into the backbenchers who say stuff like those on the UC uplift didn't need it but MP's can't be expected to get by on over £80k, or the guy who thinks criminality in young males is increasing because Dr. Who is now a woman.
These people are just as bad as anything Labour has so if you're using the excuse you can't vote for Labour because of who is in their party then you have absolutely no reason whatsoever to vote for the Tories either.
Many people, for various reasons, are just dyed in the wool Tory voters and they will never, ever change.
Johnson could decapitate a puppy live on air, Rees-Mogg could announce everyone earning under 100k is a filthy peasant and a large group of people would still bend down to lick their boots and put a cross in the Tory box at the next election (and throw in a 'but Labour' for good measure).
Starmer's seen as Metropolitan Liberal elite however, and that still taps into some people feeling unrepresented through no fault of his own.The difference in 2019 was many traditional Labour voted Tory, many for the first time, because of brexit and corbyn. I think with a competent labour leadership, many will return at the next election
So don't listen and keep losing then.
Labour could win pretty easily and yet they can't work it out despite being told what they need to do.
I despise both parties for the record.
I'm not a Labour supporter.
But tell me exactly what it is that makes Starmer, Rayner, Dodds, Reeves, Nandy, Burnham and Abbott so much worse and unelectable compared to Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Hancock, Patel, Dorries, Truss, Fletcher and Rosindell?
Starmer's seen as Metropolitan Liberal elite however, and that still taps into some people feeling unrepresented through no fault of his own.
I doubt it'll be Johnson there by that time. Brexit also seems to be stuck in some kind of rut now, where some people will refuse to blame anything on it. And let's face it, if last election Dennis Skinner could be voted out because of Brexit, anything's fair game - if ever there was an MP who was more leave than the current PM, that was one. He'd have gladly voted for us to leave given the chance!Yeah, he could struggle because of that and I’m sure the Tories will lay the Remainer stuff on thick. If we’re struggling because of Brexit (or more importantly it’s negatively impacting traditional Labour voting areas that voted Tory last time) then that might not cut through much though. I personally believe the next election will be played out more on competence and Johnson will be struggling unless he can turn things round sharpish
They are not already in power for a start
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