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They are in an almost impossible situation, but they don't help themselves, do they?
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skybluetony176
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Alan Duncan pulling no punches in his memoirs.
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Boris called 'embarrassing buffoon who knew nothing on Brexit' by former deputy
He has also attacked other top politicians, calling Priti Patel 'a complete and utter nightmare' and Theresa May ‘a frightened rabbit'.
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shmmeee
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Saw an interesting take which basically goes “you tell people Britain is one of the least racist countries and the right people take that as part of their patriotism”
Not sure that was the plan but I can see the reasoning that that’s how you make anti-racism part of the British identity. I’m certainly proud we’re one of the least racist countries while still wanting to see more done. Can’t help but feel Darren down the pub will take it as “job done” though .
Not sure that was the plan but I can see the reasoning that that’s how you make anti-racism part of the British identity. I’m certainly proud we’re one of the least racist countries while still wanting to see more done. Can’t help but feel Darren down the pub will take it as “job done” though .
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Confess I hadn't appreciated that cultural barriers to swimming were born of institutional and systemic inequalities.
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‘I was the only black kid in the pool’: why swimming is so white
Only 2% of regular swimmers in England are black. A new film examines the reasons behind the statistic
Turkish ex-admirals arrested over criticism of Erdoğan's 'crazy' canal scheme
Officials interpret criticism of plans for new Istanbul waterway as direct challenge to civilian government
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A senior official in Paris said the French government expected shareholders and creditors to make an additional effort before any state aid could be put on the table.
The official added that a solution for Eurostar would have to be found by this summer, and that as it stands France still expects the UK to participate if needed but there had been no high-level political contacts with the British so far.
Shareholders, including the Canadian pension fund Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec and Hermes Infrastructure have already put in more than €200m during the crisis.
SNCF told the Financial Times in March that Eurostar will need new money in “weeks not months” to fend off a looming cash crunch and that both the French and UK governments were in advanced discussions about how to help the company.
Eurostar and the UK government have held talks over a possible state-backed commercial loan worth £60m to help it through the crisis, but they are yet to yield any results. One person close to the talks said the discussions had not concluded, and there has not yet been a definitive refusal from the government.
Eurostar owns and runs the trains that travel on high-speed lines between the UK and France, Belgium and the Netherlands but does not own any of the infrastructure it uses, including the Channel Tunnel itself.
Its chief executive Jacques Damas told the FT last month he was “fed up” with the French and UK governments’ refusal to take responsibility for helping the company.
Eurostar and shareholders SNCF, Hermes and CDPQ declined to comment
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Turkish ex-admirals arrested over criticism of Erdoğan's 'crazy' canal scheme
Officials interpret criticism of plans for new Istanbul waterway as direct challenge to civilian government
He's just a dictator. Still not convinced the 'coup' against him wasn't staged. If not it was the shittest attempt at one ever. Utterly inept from supposed military planners.
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He's screwed the economy as well.
Yeah I was just interested in the strategics really, I know the article says it may override some treaty to do with the black sea and naval military restriction, might simplify a certain nations access into the med as ell.
Think there was some row a couple of years ago about America buying up ome Greek port nearby.
Anyway while we're on the subject maybe he's just displaying the trend of anti woke sentiment. 
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Erdogan pulls Turkey out of treaty protecting women from violence
Women's rights groups have called for protests after the Turkish president issued a decree annulling the country’s ratification of the Istanbul Convention.
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Philosoraptor
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Hartlepool latest opinion poll has it turning Conservative in the forthcoming by-election, this is not looking well for Labour in the local elections.
If Labour can't win in Hartlepool then where can they win?
If Labour can't win in Hartlepool then where can they win?
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Anyway while we're on the subject maybe he's just displaying the trend of anti woke sentiment.
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Erdogan pulls Turkey out of treaty protecting women from violence
Women's rights groups have called for protests after the Turkish president issued a decree annulling the country’s ratification of the Istanbul Convention.
No, more like a certain Islamist trend that he has set for the country over these years. How ironic it is that in having screwed up the economy he nows needs to make overtures to Russia for support. Well, perhaps not so ironic these days, as East Europe tends to be the last bastion of these in Europe.
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Until they regain their class consciousness, they'll always have to rely on the Tories to lose.
Evo1883
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Anyway while we're on the subject maybe he's just displaying the trend of anti woke sentiment.
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Erdogan pulls Turkey out of treaty protecting women from violence
Women's rights groups have called for protests after the Turkish president issued a decree annulling the country’s ratification of the Istanbul Convention.
Not a good look is it to be fair
Evo1883
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David O'Day
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Look at the margin of error, look at the methodology of the poll, look at the weighting. Fuck me for someone who loves posting stats you have a blind spot for posting the latest anti Labour posts you've seen on twitter.
It maybe bad news but until we actual more reliable data we just don't know.
Philosoraptor
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I think this shows a lot more, It looks like the voters who choose the Brexit party in the last election may not be returning to their traditional previous voting choice. If this is copied throughout the local election/mayoral vote then Labour is truly fucked.
This could explain partially why Labour et al is 10 points down in the recent opinion polls.
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David O'Day
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No it doesn't because if you look at the data it shows that only 3% off the people polled say they voted brexit party. It's not a great poll at all and you would be better off waiting for more data to actually come in.
Who hurt you from the Labour party?
Look at how they answered the rest of the survey.
They talk about all the things they'd like the government to do... then say they will vote for the party that will do the exact opposite to those things.
Sums this country up. Absolute idiots who continually vote against their own best interests!
They talk about all the things they'd like the government to do... then say they will vote for the party that will do the exact opposite to those things.
Sums this country up. Absolute idiots who continually vote against their own best interests!
Philosoraptor
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David O'Day
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Evo1883
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You've got socialists arguing with centrists on twitter about who will blame who , should this happen
Be honest has Labour ever been such a mess ? I can't remember much pre Tony Blair
And the northern independence Party?
Just taking votes off Labour really aren't they, not many granted .. ridiculous really
Torys will keep getting stronger in England sadly
Be honest has Labour ever been such a mess ? I can't remember much pre Tony Blair
And the northern independence Party?
Just taking votes off Labour really aren't they, not many granted .. ridiculous really
Torys will keep getting stronger in England sadly
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shmmeee
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In reality what it shows are BXP voters forgetting who they voted for in 2019. There’s only something like 3% BXP voters in that poll when that seat had 26% BXP vote, similarly there’s more 2019 con voters than Lab which is clearly bollocks as Lab won the seat.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Con won, they’re still well into vaccine honeymoon period, but that poll is less than useless.
David O'Day
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No it's not, it is basically excuses for poor data collection and assumes that a large number of people are forgetting for they voted for in Dec 2019. In fact the sample is even worse than I thought as it's only based on 300 people and not the 500 it claims in it's headline figure.
As I said before if you want to know what's going on wait until more data comes in.
David O'Day
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That's what I a trying to tell him, we don't gain any insight into what come be a close fought battle that either side could win.
Evo1883
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Genuine question ..
When will Labour start trying to appeal to the genuine working class who don't know much about politics ...like me for example
These days they seem to spend half their time appeasing everybody else but their traditional base
They obsess over things most working class people couldn't give a shit about .. and push it all over social media damaging their reputation with the working class .
They also still have absolute weapons like Owen jones and femi attached to their name , again ...who turn off the working class .
I'm confused as to what their purpose is these days as they abstain from basically voting on anything too
Il vote Labour again but you can see why people don't
When will Labour start trying to appeal to the genuine working class who don't know much about politics ...like me for example
These days they seem to spend half their time appeasing everybody else but their traditional base
They obsess over things most working class people couldn't give a shit about .. and push it all over social media damaging their reputation with the working class .
They also still have absolute weapons like Owen jones and femi attached to their name , again ...who turn off the working class .
I'm confused as to what their purpose is these days as they abstain from basically voting on anything too
Il vote Labour again but you can see why people don't
shmmeee
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It’ll go Tory, but that’s a garbage poll. As I said before were a one party state now. Brexit means cap doffing Dear Leader which useful idiots witter on about Tony Blair and “Keith”.
clint van damme
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How do the tories appeal to the working class?
David O'Day
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Owen Jones isn't attached to Labour. He's one of those weirdos on twitter that likes to call Kier Starmer "Keith". The vast majority of voters don't know who he or Femi are.
shmmeee
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Probably when people like you understand the difference between the Labour Party and vaguely left wing commentators who spend most of their time writing hilarious tweets to the Labour leadership begging to be taken seriously.
Honestly, go on about left wing bias in the media but you’ve clearly got this skewed view of what Labour are doing because it’s all reported through a right wing lens. Everyone on the left thinks Jones and Femi are arseholes, it’s just they’re dragged up by the right as some kind of representative.
And “oh he abstains all the time” yeah OK, name three third readings he abstained on or accept you’re talking shite fed to you online.
Evo1883
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They don't
shmmeee
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Racism
Philosoraptor
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I think the nub of the problem has been hit here.
Good to see neo-liberalism thriving so well after people rejected it in the EU referendum.
Good to see neo-liberalism thriving so well after people rejected it in the EU referendum.