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Sick Boy

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,321
stupot07 said:
What a twat. Thats about 250-300 kcal max, hardly a meal.

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It’s the food equivalent of English wine.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,322
shmmeee said:
Wasn’t the whole point of Brexit we could be more nimble in response to events?
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Vaccine procurement and before anyone says anyway (Tony behave !) no we couldn’t have just cracked on and done our own thing…legally yes but no member did their own thing until after the procurement fuck up.

In response to the other comments removal of 5% VAT on energy would’ve been less than the rebate through the councils tax for a majority of the country. I personally would’ve knocked the VAT off and claimed ‘Brexit win’ and I’ve said before, almost fair play that they didn’t…even if their choice is more convoluted and delayed ! I also don’t think it’s enough though and would be shocked if more help isn’t on its way…especially after the fines !!!

Inflation is a global problem caused almost totally by global issues. Bank of England probably should’ve stopped printing money and started raising rates a bit sooner but inflation would still be high because everyone else has been merrily printing money and there was also massive post Covid pent up demand. Add to that the war and it’s a perfect inflationary shitstorm.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,323
CCFCSteve said:
Vaccine procurement and no we couldn’t have just cracked on and done our own thing…legally yes but no member did their own thing until after the procurement fuck up.

In response to the other comments removal of 5% VAT on energy would’ve been less than the rebate through the councils tax for a majority of the country. I personally would’ve knocked the VAT off and claimed ‘Brexit win’ and I’ve said before, almost fair play that they didn’t…even if their choice is more convoluted and delayed ! I also don’t think it’s enough though and would be shocked if more help isn’t on its way…especially after the fines !!!

Inflation is a global problem caused almost totally by global issues. Bank of England probably should’ve stopped printing money and started raising rates a bit sooner but inflation would still be high because everyone else has been merrily printing money and there was also massive post Covid pent up demand. Add to that the war and it’s a perfect inflationary shitstorm.
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Is global crisis a valid excuse nowadays?
Asking for Gordon Brown!
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,324
CCFCSteve said:
Vaccine procurement and before anyone says anyway (Tony behave !) no we couldn’t have just cracked on and done our own thing…legally yes but no member did their own thing until after the procurement fuck up.

In response to the other comments removal of 5% VAT on energy would’ve been less than the rebate through the councils tax for a majority of the country. I personally would’ve knocked the VAT off and claimed ‘Brexit win’ and I’ve said before, almost fair play that they didn’t…even if their choice is more convoluted and delayed ! I also don’t think it’s enough though and would be shocked if more help isn’t on its way…especially after the fines !!!

Inflation is a global problem caused almost totally by global issues. Bank of England probably should’ve stopped printing money and started raising rates a bit sooner but inflation would still be high because everyone else has been merrily printing money and there was also massive post Covid pent up demand. Add to that the war and it’s a perfect inflationary shitstorm.
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Errr. Hungry chose to purchase and administer the Russian Sputnik vaccine before the EU approved it so…
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,325
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why do you keep on voting for the party that constantly keeps on doing it?
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He's barely ever voted Tory tbf
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,326
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why do you keep on voting for the party that constantly keeps on doing it? Also, didn't you criticise Corbyn for suggesting nationalisation of railways?

And yes I know New Labour added a private element into some public services, which was a massive mistake and we'll be paying for it forever, but given the utter disaster it tends to be how come the supposedly 'economically competent' Tories haven't twigged yet? Personally, I suspect they have but they and their mates are doing quite nicely from the decision so fuck everyone else.
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corbyn wanted to nationalise railways to make profit which was absurd

you are morphing into PVA with stupid 6th form slogans and cliches
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,327
skybluetony176 said:
Errr. Hungry chose to purchase and administer the Russian Sputnik vaccine before the EU approved it so…
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I’ve said, we were ‘allowed to’, but we couldn’t have done what we did if we were still in the EU. I think Germany, Italy and France were told not to go it alone and walked away from an agreed contract as the EU wanted EU wide procurement. Understandably in a way because you can’t have one member steaming ahead and vaccinating large numbers and others struggling. There would’ve been massive political pressure not to

ps I don’t know the dates but I presume hungary did their own thing due to the delays of the EU procurement, not before
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,328
clint van damme said:
Is global crisis a valid excuse nowadays?
Asking for Gordon Brown!
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Gordon Brown did a great job during the financial crisis. It’s been said before though it was the lack of build up in reserves in decent growth times which was peoples issue. I’ve said before they would’ve only helped a bit anyway due to the size of the financial crisis.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,329
Grendel said:
As I say the whole privatisation thing was a folly built into an 80’s yuppie share ownership culture. It’s always been a waste of time.

You transfer providers It makes no difference

Railways have always been an annoyance to me. Useless when nationalised and now worse.
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For me capitalism is great for innovation and choice through competition. The only thing utility companies can differentiate on is customer service and frankly they’re all shit and it’s such a secondary concern anyway.

Rail is a little more complex but generally same deal I want to get from a to b at the time I want, how plush the seats are or what food is offered on board is very much a nice to have but not a decision maker.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,330
CCFCSteve said:
Gordon Brown did a great job during the financial crisis. It’s been said before though it was the lack of build up in reserves in decent growth times which was peoples issue. I’ve said before they would’ve only helped a bit anyway due to the size of the financial crisis.
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Nah it was people buying a cheap hit job. Brown did very well and we had more surpluses than most governments under his chancellorship. The only mistake I’ll lay at his door for the GFC was deregulating banks too much, but everyone was at it and the opposition would have gone further so even that is a hard stick to wield.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,331
shmmeee said:
For me capitalism is great for innovation and choice through competition. The only thing utility companies can differentiate on is customer service and frankly they’re all shit and it’s such a secondary concern anyway.

Rail is a little more complex but generally same deal I want to get from a to b at the time I want, how plush the seats are or what food is offered on board is very much a nice to have but not a decision maker.
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my irk with railways is it’s a public service abs should provide links from the villages and small towns into cities even if it’s loss making

It’s a service and most European countries from my experience do it a lot better.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,332
CCFCSteve said:
Gordon Brown did a great job during the financial crisis. It’s been said before though it was the lack of build up in reserves in decent growth times which was peoples issue. I’ve said before they would’ve only helped a bit anyway due to the size of the financial crisis.
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He sold the UK gold reserve and made a loss at 2018 gold prices of £18 billion.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,333
Grendel said:
my irk with railways is it’s a public service abs should provide links from the villages and small towns into cities even if it’s loss making

It’s a service and most European countries from my experience do it a lot better.
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100%. Public transport generally is a multiplier as well. Grows the talent pool for companies, spreads house price rises out a bit. How hard it was for me to commute to Warwick without a car was a joke.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,334
Philosorapter said:
He sold the UK gold reserve and made a loss at 2018 gold prices of £18 billion.
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Half a Track and Trace.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,335
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve said, we were ‘allowed to’, but we couldn’t have done what we did if we were still in the EU. I think Germany, Italy and France were told not to go it alone and walked away from an agreed contract as the EU wanted EU wide procurement. Understandably in a way because you can’t have one member steaming ahead and vaccinating large numbers and others struggling. There would’ve been massive political pressure not to

ps I don’t know the dates but I presume hungary did their own thing due to the delays of the EU procurement, not before
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“I’ve said, we were ‘allowed to’, but we couldn’t have done what we did if we were still in the EU”

That’s a contradiction in terms.

The UK MHRA who approved the vaccines also confirmed that leaving the EU changed nothing, in fact the regulation that they used is known as regulation 174 which has been around since 2012, a whole 4 years before we even had a referendum. It’s complete bollocks to suggest that brexit miraculously moved the goalposts. We’re in brexit unicorn with rainbows flying out of its arse territory.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,336
CCFCSteve said:
Vaccine procurement and before anyone says anyway (Tony behave !) no we couldn’t have just cracked on and done our own thing…legally yes but no member did their own thing until after the procurement fuck up.
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So not something we needed Brexit to actually do then? Literally in the same sentence you say we couldn't have done then immediately admit we actually could.

Like VAT etc. we could still have done it, it's just whether we'd have broken ranks to do so.

Not being able to doing something and not choosing to do something are not the same argument. Using peer pressure as a reason is a poor excuse for kids, let alone a government.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,337
skybluetony176 said:
“I’ve said, we were ‘allowed to’, but we couldn’t have done what we did if we were still in the EU”

That’s a contradiction in terms.

The UK MHRA who approved the vaccination also confirmed that leaving the EU changed nothing, in fact the regulation that they used is known as regulation 174 which has been around since 2012, a whole 4 years before we even had a referendum. It’s complete bollocks to suggest that brexit miraculously moved the goalposts. We’re in brexit unicorn with rainbows flying out of its arse territory.
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I’ve explained this before. We could do what we wanted in terms of vaccines under the rules but ‘politically’ we couldn’t have, the EU would never have allowed it. Hence the example of Germany, France and Italy (might be Holland rather than one of those actually)
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,338
PVA said:
Half a Track and Trace.
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Money well spent. So long as your aim wasn’t to build a world beating track and trace system.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,339
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve explained this before. We could do what we wanted in terms of vaccines under the rules but ‘politically’ we couldn’t have, the EU would never have allowed it. Hence the example of Germany, France and Italy (might be Holland rather than one of those actually)
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I think what your saying is we would have chosen to stay with ye herd. I think you're right but that's not the same as we couldn't of because we could of!

Same as the bullshit about the VAT reduction on energy,we could of when we were in the EU, it wasn't a potential 'Brexit win', just more bollocks.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,340
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve explained this before. We could do what we wanted in terms of vaccines under the rules but ‘politically’ we couldn’t have, the EU would never have allowed it. Hence the example of Germany, France and Italy (might be Holland rather than one of those actually)
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What the literal fuck are you talking about. How could the EU have stopped us? It’s bollocks. The regulation was already in place, I’ve quoted you the regulation, it pre dates brexit and the referendum, the EU couldn’t have stopped us doing jack. Sorry Steve but you’re talking hypothetical bollocks, you’re in if my gran had bollocks she would be my grandad territory.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,341
skybluetony176 said:
What the literal fuck are you talking about. How could the EU have stopped us? It’s bollocks. The regulation was already in place, I’ve quoted you the regulation, it pre dates brexit and the referendum, the EU couldn’t have stopped us doing jack. Sorry Steve but you’re talking hypothetical bollocks, you’re in if my gran had bollocks she would be my grandad territory.
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clint van damme said:
I think what your saying is we would have chosen to stay with ye herd. I think you're right but that's not the same as we couldn't of because we could of!

Same as the bullshit about the VAT reduction on energy,we could of when we were in the EU, it wasn't a potential 'Brexit win', just more bollocks.
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Politically we couldn’t/wouldn’t of. I don’t know why people are struggling to understand. Other countries were stopped (‘persuaded’) from signing their own contracts. That’s a fact. I don’t know what political pressures were applied but it happened. There is no way we would’ve been able to deliver the same vaccine procurement/programme if we were still in the EU.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,342
CCFCSteve said:
Politically we couldn’t/wouldn’t of. I don’t know why people are struggling to understand. Other countries were stopped from signing contracts. That’s a fact. I don’t know what political pressures were applied but it happened. There is no way we would’ve been able to deliver the vaccine procurement/programme if we were still in the EU.
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You’ve reached Nadine Dorries levels of delusion. You’ll be telling us next that C4 takes public money.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,343
In other news a “world class lawyer” who understands what breaking the law means has quit the government in response to partygate. In unrelated news lawyer and justice secretary Dominic Raab remains part of the government still bewildered that the police investigate historical crimes

Minister Lord David Wolfson quits over Covid law-breaking at No 10

Justice minister Lord David Wolfson criticises the "scale, context and nature" of breaches.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,344
skybluetony176 said:
You’ve reached Nadine Dorries levels of delusion. You’ll be telling us next that C4 takes public money.
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No need for that. I’ve tried to explain the best I can but you’re struggling to understand or just don’t want to accept that the EU isn’t perfect

This is a lengthy article about exactly what happen and is worth a read. My recollection wasn’t perfect but pretty accurate. Once you’ve read it feel free to continue to say I’m taking bollocks, deluded etc but I stand by my comments

How Europe fell behind on vaccines

The EU secured some of the lowest prices in the world. At what cost?
www.politico.eu
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,345
CCFCSteve said:
No need for that. I’ve tried to explain the best I can but you’re struggling to understand or just don’t want to accept that the EU isn’t perfect

This is a lengthy article about exactly what happen and is worth a read. Once you’ve read it feel free to continue to say I’m taking bollocks, deluded etc but I stand by my comments

How Europe fell behind on vaccines

The EU secured some of the lowest prices in the world. At what cost?
www.politico.eu
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Steve. You’re trying to pass opinion of as fact. The fact is that the UK MHRA used a regulation that predates brexit, predates the referendum and actually predates the promise of the referendum. There is literally nothing, nothing that the EU could have done to stop us approving the vaccine ahead of the EMA. Nothing. It’s complete bollocks. The Nadine Dorries reference is valid because even after I’ve quoted you chapter and verse you’ve continued with the fantasy, fully in the style of Nadine Dorries. Best thing you can do is read up on who the MHRA are and their role in the vaccine program, read up on regulation 174, there’s even a video of the head of the MHRA at a commons select committee explaining why Matt Hancock was talking bollocks when he first made the claim. Your first clue is that it was Matt Hancock who initially made the claim.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,346
Those posts from stupid Tory cunts giving an average price per meal are cringey as fuck.

Tell everybody to rock up to the supermarket and see if they can pay in installments based on when each ingredient in consumed
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,347
fernandopartridge said:
Those posts from stupid Tory cunts giving an average price per meal are cringey as fuck.

Tell everybody to rock up to the supermarket and see if they can pay in installments based on when each ingredient in consumed
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I’ve seen a guy on YouTube do it but he ends up foraging in parks to supplement it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,348
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,350
The Mirror reporting that Boris is facing 3 more FPN’s. If nothing else it going to be funny hearing his excuses and the boot lickers joining in.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,351
This government is just beyond disgusting.

 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,352
PVA said:
This government is just beyond disgusting.

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We’re basically done a deal with Africa’s Putin. A tin pot dictator who thinks nothing about silencing critics and opposition on foreign soil.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,353
Sick Boy said:
I’ve seen a guy on YouTube do it but he ends up foraging in parks to supplement it.
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His videos are pretty good tbf and he seems like a decent bloke
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 14, 2022
  • #12,354
PVA said:
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Each was a birthday
That never happened
He only saw people he worked with
None of them have had his baby yet
He only did what everyone was doing
How can anyone be expected to get everything right
We are all sinners
I’m a Catholic I’ve said my confession
God loves me and says I’m ok so long as there are less than 5 penalty notices m
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 14, 2022
  • #12,355
Sky Blue Pete said:
Each was a birthday
That never happened
He only saw people he worked with
None of them have had his baby yet
He only did what everyone was doing
How can anyone be expected to get everything right
We are all sinners
I’m a Catholic I’ve said my confession
God loves me and says I’m ok so long as there are less than 5 penalty notices m
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Time to try and distract the nation with a populist, yet probably unworkable, new immigration policy..............
 
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