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[Deleted member 5849]

I think the biggest distress of landlord vs Keir Stramer is my finding out that Right Said Fred are total mentalists too.

 

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[fatso]

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What a pussy, hes half a pint behind already!

 

[shmmeee]

I think the biggest distress of landlord vs Keir Stramer is my finding out that Right Said Fred are total mentalists too.

They’ve been COVIDiots For a while now. And Anthea Turner!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They’ve been COVIDiots For a while now. And Anthea Turner!

Is nothing sacred!

 

[hill83]

What a pussy, hes half a pint behind already!

Get it necked son

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It was fine for the 5-7% who went. The rest of us just got a job at 16, paid our taxes and cracked on. But then, we didn't have social media to whine into.

Which is fine if that's what you're suited to doing. Entrenches you into that bracket though. If you're happy getting paid less for doing harder, longer hours and in general paying a higher effective rate of tax than someone else then go on you.

There are so many people that could've made a big difference in society that were never afforded the opportunity due to things like class and sex. People who 'got a job at 16, paid their taxes and cracked on'. And had utterly miserable lives because of it because it wasn't what suited them but they put up with it.

I think the biggest way to stop this is to accept that vocational and physical work is just as demanding and important as intellectual, just in a different way. Everyone being a professor of Latin we'd all die as we'd have nowhere to live or food to eat. Everyone was a labourer we'd still be living in caves throwing spears at animals. We need both to work effectively, improve and succeed.

 

[shmmeee]

Which is fine if that's what you're suited to doing. Entrenches you into that bracket though. If you're happy getting paid less for doing harder, longer hours and in general paying a higher effective rate of tax than someone else then go on you.

There are so many people that could've made a big difference in society that were never afforded the opportunity due to things like class and sex. People who 'got a job at 16, paid their taxes and cracked on'. And had utterly miserable lives because of it because it wasn't what suited them but they put up with it.

I think the biggest way to stop this is to accept that vocational and physical work is just as demanding and important as intellectual, just in a different way. Everyone being a professor of Latin we'd all die as we'd have nowhere to live or food to eat. Everyone was a labourer we'd still be living in caves throwing spears at animals. We need both to work effectively, improve and succeed.

Yeah but that immigrant guy wants your biscuits

It’s no coincidence that we got advancements as a class when everyone worked closely together in massive fucking groups and could see we were on the same team. Fuck knows how you engender that in the 21st century economy. Other than a world war obviously.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Equally bad when universities get their funding on completion rates, so where's the incentive to kick out a badly underperforming (or regularly dishonest!) student?

Sometimes, it can be the best thing for the student to set them free too - either Mummy or Daddy have forced them to go, or they're emotionally too immature just at the time (I know I'd have done better with a year or two gap before going, so not being patronising to some of them!) so would be betetr doing a degree, if they want to, at a time of their lives when they can maximise their potential in it.

But no, keep them in for the funding!

I did a year out working before uni and it made a big difference. For me the big thing is knowing what you want to do. Even after the year out i still wasn't sure I wanted to do that and eventually left the profession because I wasn't enjoying it. I've still not found my 'calling' even now.

To expect kids at 18 to be able to pick precisely what they want to do and would be best at for the rest of their lives without any experience or knowledge of the actual industry and the limited amount of things they can learn about up to that point is asking a lot IMO. I think far more would benefit from a few years experience in jobs related to what they might be interested in. After a few years they might realise they can just get professional or vocational exams to do the job without uni anyway. If you don't enjoy that environment only really then could accurately say you might be better suited to academia. Plus those few extra years would make you appreciate it a lot more - for many now it's about 'the experience' rather than the qualification. It's a modern day 'grand tour'.

 

[shmmeee]

Love it when @Sky_Blue_Dreamer gets wonky

I’d like 14-19 slightly more specialised, then a budget given to people for 18+ that can be training, Uni, or start up support and can be taken at any point before say 50 (or hell before they retire). So many people would be better off working for a bit, then when inspiration hits having the support to move them where they want to be.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Which is fine if that's what you're suited to doing. Entrenches you into that bracket though. If you're happy getting paid less for doing harder, longer hours and in general paying a higher effective rate of tax than someone else then go on you.

There are so many people that could've made a big difference in society that were never afforded the opportunity due to things like class and sex. People who 'got a job at 16, paid their taxes and cracked on'. And had utterly miserable lives because of it because it wasn't what suited them but they put up with it.

I think the biggest way to stop this is to accept that vocational and physical work is just as demanding and important as intellectual, just in a different way. Everyone being a professor of Latin we'd all die as we'd have nowhere to live or food to eat. Everyone was a labourer we'd still be living in caves throwing spears at animals. We need both to work effectively, improve and succeed.

My post was a response to the inference made that in the past the many got free higher education and that the ladder was being pulled up, or that effect. It was not a description of the ideal state of affairs. and was most certainly not to be interpreted as begrudging the greater access to higher education.

There is a case for increasing the profile of vocational education and the rewards for this, but efforts to do so over the last 5 years have come to very little.

And believe me, I was not suited as 17 year old to be handling welding guns on a shitty god awful production line. It felt like my whole world had caved in, but it was that or kicked out of the house for being unproductive.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Love it when @Sky_Blue_Dreamer gets wonky

I’d like 14-19 slightly more specialised, then a budget given to people for 18+ that can be training, Uni, or start up support and can be taken at any point before say 50 (or hell before they retire). So many people would be better off working for a bit, then when inspiration hits having the support to move them where they want to be.

Erm... thanks.... I think?

As someone once said of me. "Some people think outside the box. Some think left field. When you get going you're in the car park looking for the stadium."

 

[shmmeee]

Erm... thanks.... I think?

As someone once said of me. "Some people think outside the box. Some think left field. When you get going you're in the car park looking for the stadium."

It’s a compliment! Love a bit of wonkery.

wonk

1. a person who works or studies too much, especially someone who learns and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

That description is a bit pejorative. I mean getting into the details of policy.

 

[Ian1779]

Ungenerous headlines under Corbyn: “This is clear evidence of the bias in the MSM against the left!!”

Ungenerous headlines under Starmer: “This just proves how useless the Labour right are”

Oh Labour internal Rorschach test, never change.

Easy there, I was actually defending Starmer. But his advisers are fucking numpties.

 

[Ian1779]

Love it when @Sky_Blue_Dreamer gets wonky

I’d like 14-19 slightly more specialised, then a budget given to people for 18+ that can be training, Uni, or start up support and can be taken at any point before say 50 (or hell before they retire). So many people would be better off working for a bit, then when inspiration hits having the support to move them where they want to be.

The cutting off funding for schools which has had a direct impact on vocational offers has been disgraceful, and in the long term more costly and counterproductive. And as many have said, vocational paths should have the same opportunity and acknowledgement as academic ones.

 

[chiefdave]

Remember the £2.6m Johnson spent on a Downing Street media briefing room for his televised media briefings? Not happening now, he's realised some members of the press don't always ask the questions he wants to answer.

Stratton, who was hired as Johnson's press secretary is now spokeswoman for the COP26 climate change summit.

 

[PVA]

Remember the £2.6m Johnson spent on a Downing Street media briefing room for his televised media briefings? Not happening now, he's realised some members of the press don't always ask the questions he wants to answer.

Stratton, who was hired as Johnson's press secretary is now spokeswoman for the COP26 climate change summit.

Fucking ridiculous. Absolute c**ts.

 

[wingy]

Yeah but that immigrant guy wants your biscuits

It’s no coincidence that we got advancements as a class when everyone worked closely together in massive fucking groups and could see we were on the same team. Fuck knows how you engender that in the 21st century economy. Other than a world war obviously.

IDK mate.
Maybe form the ESL.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Remember the £2.6m Johnson spent on a Downing Street media briefing room for his televised media briefings? Not happening now, he's realised some members of the press don't always ask the questions he wants to answer.

Stratton, who was hired as Johnson's press secretary is now spokeswoman for the COP26 climate change summit.

Is anyone actually surprised? Everything he spends a shit tonne of money on never actually happens.

 

[PVA]

Is anyone actually surprised? Everything he spends a shit tonne of money on never actually happens.

What do you mean, it was a perfectly useful spend - his mates and/or Tory donors did very well out of it!

Maybe that's what was meant when it was said in here the other day that people vote Tory because of 'aspirations'. We'd all like to spend millions of pounds of someone else's money on whatever shit we like safe in the knowledge there will be no comeback if it goes tits up.

It's a joke that it just goes completely unnoticed by the general public and no one gives a fuck.

 

[PVA]

Dom Cummings dishing the dirt on Johnson and the government

Wondered if he might do that.

I feel very dirty for supporting him but come on Dom, spill the beans, this could be tremendous

 

[skybluetony176]

Dom Cummings dishing the dirt on Johnson and the government

Wondered if he might do that.

I feel very dirty for supporting him but come on Dom, spill the beans, this could be tremendous

I wonder if ministers are now feeling a little silly for circling the wagons around him when he went for his eye test.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Dom Cummings dishing the dirt on Johnson and the government

Wondered if he might do that.

I feel very dirty for supporting him but come on Dom, spill the beans, this could be tremendous

Problem is, the guy is mentally unstable and he's an out and out shitster and liar, and anything he says is not to be believed.

 

[skybluetony176]

Problem is, the guy is mentally unstable and he's an out and out shitster and liar, and anything he says is not to be believed.

True. But what about Cummings?

 

[JAM See]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

 

[clint van damme]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

Hope so, i have 40 quid on the bollock jowled Scot as next leader of the tories at 9/1.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Problem is, the guy is mentally unstable and he's an out and out shitster and liar, and anything he says is not to be believed.

Yep. It's one of those where you want this kind of stuff to be revealed, but it's a bit hard to swallow from the person allegedly saying it.

Still be those saying it's not a load of people just out for themselves and willing to be a complete c*** and bear a grudge when things don't go their way.

 

[chiefdave]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

On the bright side it must mean they think we're done with covid else they'd keep Johnson on for a bit. We've all know the plan for a while, its been mentioned on here numerous times. Get Johnson out and blame any Brexit and / or covid issues on him.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

No chance of that - they have a buddy history going back five years, to the laughable ideas and f**k ups made at DfE. It was Gove that allowed Cummings to worm himself into the heart of govt, not Johnson. Your greatest fear should be that Gove ever gets elected PM, in which case we are all f**ked, and indeed will wish we could escape to Epsilon 5.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Will it make any difference? Hard to not think he's totally made of teflon.

 

[PVA]

The general public won't care about that. His demise will come from the Tories rather than the public.

Remember on here last year his biggest fanboy Grendel found his 'Operation Last Gasp' gag hilarious, yet when people told Johnson to 'take it on the chin' when he got Covid Grendel called anyone who said it a 'sick c**t'. Pathetic bootlicking stuff. As you say, he is Teflon in the eyes of many.

I am enjoying seeing the Tories and the Daily Mail turn on the Dear Leader. You love to see it. Useless fat prick, hope he gets everything he deserves.

 

[Ian1779]

The general public won't care about that. His demise will come from the Tories rather than the public.

Remember on here last year his biggest fanboy Grendel found his 'Operation Last Gasp' gag hilarious, yet when people told Johnson to 'take it on the chin' when he got Covid Grendel called anyone who said it a 'sick c**t'. Pathetic bootlicking stuff. As you say, he is Teflon in the eyes of many.

I am enjoying seeing the Tories and the Daily Mail turn on the Dear Leader. You love to see it. Useless fat prick, hope he gets everything he deserves.

I’m worried that Gove will ultimately be even worse.

 

[clint van damme]

I’m worried that Gove will ultimately be even worse.

I've got two bets on Gove as nextl tory eader, £20 at 8s and £20 at 9s.
One is now offering me a 22 quid cash out!
Not significant but the bookies must thi k somethings going on.
You're right about Gove. A wanks wank

 

[skybluetony176]

I’m worried that Gove will ultimately be even worse.

It begs the question who wouldn’t be worse than Boris. The Tory party is long purged of intellect and is now a party of incompetent charlatans. We might be banking on Boris to save us from the rest of them.

 

[wingy]

Tut Tut Tut.


"Vote to protect leaseholders from cladding costs fails despite Tory rebellion | Housing | The Guardian" Vote to protect leaseholders from cladding costs fails despite Tory rebellion | Housing | The Guardian

 

[skybluetony176]

Tut Tut Tut.


"Vote to protect leaseholders from cladding costs fails despite Tory rebellion | Housing | The Guardian" Vote to protect leaseholders from cladding costs fails despite Tory rebellion | Housing | The Guardian

Phew, that was close. For a minute there I thought those responsible for building substandard housing were going to be left carrying the can. Still, it’s not like some of those set to benefit from this are Tory donors. Are they?