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[Skybluefaz]

Ah, a nutter

Toby Young will be proud.

 

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[Philosoraptor]

Ah, a nutter

Indeed, but another PR disaster.

 

[Ian1779]

Indeed, but another PR disaster.

This is what I was saying, his advisers are fucking suspect. Few weeks ago sending him to the one church in London that’s into corrective behaviour therapy for homosexuality... just do some research at the very least.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This is what I was saying, his advisers are fucking suspect. Few weeks ago sending him to the one church in London that’s into corrective behaviour therapy for homosexuality... just do some research at the very least.

Starting the conspiracy theory now...?

 

[shmmeee]

This is what I was saying, his advisers are fucking suspect. Few weeks ago sending him to the one church in London that’s into corrective behaviour therapy for homosexuality... just do some research at the very least.

Ungenerous headlines under Corbyn: “This is clear evidence of the bias in the MSM against the left!!”

Ungenerous headlines under Starmer: “This just proves how useless the Labour right are”

Oh Labour internal Rorschach test, never change.

 

[PVA]

It's alright lads it's not corruption, just an admin error

Covid contracts: PPE fixer who was Tory donor named in admin error

Samir Jassal, who has campaigned with the PM, was a contact in a £100m deal for Covid safety gear.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[clint van damme]

Ungenerous headlines under Corbyn: “This is clear evidence of the bias in the MSM against the left!!”

Ungenerous headlines under Starmer: “This just proves how useless the Labour right are”

Oh Labour internal Rorschach test, never change.

It wasn't Ian who said it wasa PR disaster.
But he's right about those around him.
You honestly think questions won't be getting asked today?
I actually thought the pub bloke came across as an absolute weapon more than anything.

 

[shmmeee]

It wasn't Ian who said it wasa PR disaster.
But he's right about those around him.
You honestly think questions won't be getting asked today?
I actually thought the pub bloke came across as an absolute weapon more than anything.

It's just silly expectations isn't it? Confrontations happen on walkabouts, they always have. Are they supposed to quiz the people in every building to check none are nutters before heading in?

Some nutter went nuts, that's all. The Metro are reporting as 'plucky honest hard working member of the public slates Starmer' and the Labour left are swinging in behind, but that's just as much spin as 'Corbyn hates the country because he doesn't bow low enough' or whatever from 2015-17.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think the biggest distress of landlord vs Keir Stramer is my finding out that Right Said Fred are total mentalists too.

 

[fatso]

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What a pussy, hes half a pint behind already!

 

[shmmeee]

I think the biggest distress of landlord vs Keir Stramer is my finding out that Right Said Fred are total mentalists too.

They’ve been COVIDiots For a while now. And Anthea Turner!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They’ve been COVIDiots For a while now. And Anthea Turner!

Is nothing sacred!

 

[hill83]

What a pussy, hes half a pint behind already!

Get it necked son

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It was fine for the 5-7% who went. The rest of us just got a job at 16, paid our taxes and cracked on. But then, we didn't have social media to whine into.

Which is fine if that's what you're suited to doing. Entrenches you into that bracket though. If you're happy getting paid less for doing harder, longer hours and in general paying a higher effective rate of tax than someone else then go on you.

There are so many people that could've made a big difference in society that were never afforded the opportunity due to things like class and sex. People who 'got a job at 16, paid their taxes and cracked on'. And had utterly miserable lives because of it because it wasn't what suited them but they put up with it.

I think the biggest way to stop this is to accept that vocational and physical work is just as demanding and important as intellectual, just in a different way. Everyone being a professor of Latin we'd all die as we'd have nowhere to live or food to eat. Everyone was a labourer we'd still be living in caves throwing spears at animals. We need both to work effectively, improve and succeed.

 

[shmmeee]

Which is fine if that's what you're suited to doing. Entrenches you into that bracket though. If you're happy getting paid less for doing harder, longer hours and in general paying a higher effective rate of tax than someone else then go on you.

There are so many people that could've made a big difference in society that were never afforded the opportunity due to things like class and sex. People who 'got a job at 16, paid their taxes and cracked on'. And had utterly miserable lives because of it because it wasn't what suited them but they put up with it.

I think the biggest way to stop this is to accept that vocational and physical work is just as demanding and important as intellectual, just in a different way. Everyone being a professor of Latin we'd all die as we'd have nowhere to live or food to eat. Everyone was a labourer we'd still be living in caves throwing spears at animals. We need both to work effectively, improve and succeed.

Yeah but that immigrant guy wants your biscuits

It’s no coincidence that we got advancements as a class when everyone worked closely together in massive fucking groups and could see we were on the same team. Fuck knows how you engender that in the 21st century economy. Other than a world war obviously.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Equally bad when universities get their funding on completion rates, so where's the incentive to kick out a badly underperforming (or regularly dishonest!) student?

Sometimes, it can be the best thing for the student to set them free too - either Mummy or Daddy have forced them to go, or they're emotionally too immature just at the time (I know I'd have done better with a year or two gap before going, so not being patronising to some of them!) so would be betetr doing a degree, if they want to, at a time of their lives when they can maximise their potential in it.

But no, keep them in for the funding!

I did a year out working before uni and it made a big difference. For me the big thing is knowing what you want to do. Even after the year out i still wasn't sure I wanted to do that and eventually left the profession because I wasn't enjoying it. I've still not found my 'calling' even now.

To expect kids at 18 to be able to pick precisely what they want to do and would be best at for the rest of their lives without any experience or knowledge of the actual industry and the limited amount of things they can learn about up to that point is asking a lot IMO. I think far more would benefit from a few years experience in jobs related to what they might be interested in. After a few years they might realise they can just get professional or vocational exams to do the job without uni anyway. If you don't enjoy that environment only really then could accurately say you might be better suited to academia. Plus those few extra years would make you appreciate it a lot more - for many now it's about 'the experience' rather than the qualification. It's a modern day 'grand tour'.

 

[shmmeee]

Love it when @Sky_Blue_Dreamer gets wonky

I’d like 14-19 slightly more specialised, then a budget given to people for 18+ that can be training, Uni, or start up support and can be taken at any point before say 50 (or hell before they retire). So many people would be better off working for a bit, then when inspiration hits having the support to move them where they want to be.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Which is fine if that's what you're suited to doing. Entrenches you into that bracket though. If you're happy getting paid less for doing harder, longer hours and in general paying a higher effective rate of tax than someone else then go on you.

There are so many people that could've made a big difference in society that were never afforded the opportunity due to things like class and sex. People who 'got a job at 16, paid their taxes and cracked on'. And had utterly miserable lives because of it because it wasn't what suited them but they put up with it.

I think the biggest way to stop this is to accept that vocational and physical work is just as demanding and important as intellectual, just in a different way. Everyone being a professor of Latin we'd all die as we'd have nowhere to live or food to eat. Everyone was a labourer we'd still be living in caves throwing spears at animals. We need both to work effectively, improve and succeed.

My post was a response to the inference made that in the past the many got free higher education and that the ladder was being pulled up, or that effect. It was not a description of the ideal state of affairs. and was most certainly not to be interpreted as begrudging the greater access to higher education.

There is a case for increasing the profile of vocational education and the rewards for this, but efforts to do so over the last 5 years have come to very little.

And believe me, I was not suited as 17 year old to be handling welding guns on a shitty god awful production line. It felt like my whole world had caved in, but it was that or kicked out of the house for being unproductive.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Love it when @Sky_Blue_Dreamer gets wonky

I’d like 14-19 slightly more specialised, then a budget given to people for 18+ that can be training, Uni, or start up support and can be taken at any point before say 50 (or hell before they retire). So many people would be better off working for a bit, then when inspiration hits having the support to move them where they want to be.

Erm... thanks.... I think?

As someone once said of me. "Some people think outside the box. Some think left field. When you get going you're in the car park looking for the stadium."

 

[shmmeee]

Erm... thanks.... I think?

As someone once said of me. "Some people think outside the box. Some think left field. When you get going you're in the car park looking for the stadium."

It’s a compliment! Love a bit of wonkery.

wonk

1. a person who works or studies too much, especially someone who learns and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

That description is a bit pejorative. I mean getting into the details of policy.

 

[Ian1779]

Ungenerous headlines under Corbyn: “This is clear evidence of the bias in the MSM against the left!!”

Ungenerous headlines under Starmer: “This just proves how useless the Labour right are”

Oh Labour internal Rorschach test, never change.

Easy there, I was actually defending Starmer. But his advisers are fucking numpties.

 

[Ian1779]

Love it when @Sky_Blue_Dreamer gets wonky

I’d like 14-19 slightly more specialised, then a budget given to people for 18+ that can be training, Uni, or start up support and can be taken at any point before say 50 (or hell before they retire). So many people would be better off working for a bit, then when inspiration hits having the support to move them where they want to be.

The cutting off funding for schools which has had a direct impact on vocational offers has been disgraceful, and in the long term more costly and counterproductive. And as many have said, vocational paths should have the same opportunity and acknowledgement as academic ones.

 

[chiefdave]

Remember the £2.6m Johnson spent on a Downing Street media briefing room for his televised media briefings? Not happening now, he's realised some members of the press don't always ask the questions he wants to answer.

Stratton, who was hired as Johnson's press secretary is now spokeswoman for the COP26 climate change summit.

 

[PVA]

Remember the £2.6m Johnson spent on a Downing Street media briefing room for his televised media briefings? Not happening now, he's realised some members of the press don't always ask the questions he wants to answer.

Stratton, who was hired as Johnson's press secretary is now spokeswoman for the COP26 climate change summit.

Fucking ridiculous. Absolute c**ts.

 

[wingy]

Yeah but that immigrant guy wants your biscuits

It’s no coincidence that we got advancements as a class when everyone worked closely together in massive fucking groups and could see we were on the same team. Fuck knows how you engender that in the 21st century economy. Other than a world war obviously.

IDK mate.
Maybe form the ESL.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Remember the £2.6m Johnson spent on a Downing Street media briefing room for his televised media briefings? Not happening now, he's realised some members of the press don't always ask the questions he wants to answer.

Stratton, who was hired as Johnson's press secretary is now spokeswoman for the COP26 climate change summit.

Is anyone actually surprised? Everything he spends a shit tonne of money on never actually happens.

 

[PVA]

Is anyone actually surprised? Everything he spends a shit tonne of money on never actually happens.

What do you mean, it was a perfectly useful spend - his mates and/or Tory donors did very well out of it!

Maybe that's what was meant when it was said in here the other day that people vote Tory because of 'aspirations'. We'd all like to spend millions of pounds of someone else's money on whatever shit we like safe in the knowledge there will be no comeback if it goes tits up.

It's a joke that it just goes completely unnoticed by the general public and no one gives a fuck.

 

[PVA]

Dom Cummings dishing the dirt on Johnson and the government

Wondered if he might do that.

I feel very dirty for supporting him but come on Dom, spill the beans, this could be tremendous

 

[skybluetony176]

Dom Cummings dishing the dirt on Johnson and the government

Wondered if he might do that.

I feel very dirty for supporting him but come on Dom, spill the beans, this could be tremendous

I wonder if ministers are now feeling a little silly for circling the wagons around him when he went for his eye test.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Dom Cummings dishing the dirt on Johnson and the government

Wondered if he might do that.

I feel very dirty for supporting him but come on Dom, spill the beans, this could be tremendous

Problem is, the guy is mentally unstable and he's an out and out shitster and liar, and anything he says is not to be believed.

 

[skybluetony176]

Problem is, the guy is mentally unstable and he's an out and out shitster and liar, and anything he says is not to be believed.

True. But what about Cummings?

 

[JAM See]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

 

[clint van damme]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

Hope so, i have 40 quid on the bollock jowled Scot as next leader of the tories at 9/1.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Problem is, the guy is mentally unstable and he's an out and out shitster and liar, and anything he says is not to be believed.

Yep. It's one of those where you want this kind of stuff to be revealed, but it's a bit hard to swallow from the person allegedly saying it.

Still be those saying it's not a load of people just out for themselves and willing to be a complete c*** and bear a grudge when things don't go their way.

 

[chiefdave]

Haven't read the full blog from Cummings, but it appears he hasn't stuck the boot into Gove.

I sense a coup in the offing.

On the bright side it must mean they think we're done with covid else they'd keep Johnson on for a bit. We've all know the plan for a while, its been mentioned on here numerous times. Get Johnson out and blame any Brexit and / or covid issues on him.