Labour 11 points behind nationally and in the Wales/Midlands area Labour is a whopping 21 points behind.
'Playing politics'
Staggering really when you consider the last year , and when you consider recent goings on .
Labour really are in the mud
I don't know how they are ever going to get back in power it's a bit worrying really living in a 1 party state
Staggering really when you consider the last year , and when you consider recent goings on .
Labour really are in the mud
But Tories do good PR. Vaccine programme doing well means 18 months of mismanagement, corruption and lying get forgotten.
I see already they're preparing the general public for the next 'Tories are great' story by having "biggest ever predicted growth" stories flying about, when with even a small amount of brainpower tells you that after the massive contraction we had due to the monumental fuck up we made with covid you'd have to be a special kind of inept for it not to be the highest growth year-on-year.
Which I guess brings us back to the unresolved discussion from the other day about why people vote for a party that is not in their best interests.Staggering really when you consider the last year , and when you consider recent goings on .
Labour really are in the mud
I don't know how they are ever going to get back in power it's a bit worrying really living in a 1 party state
Which I guess brings us back to the unresolved discussion from the other day about why people vote for a party that is not in their best interests.
Think all we got was that workers were 'aspirational' but even that couldn't be qualified and it was only a few posts before huge chunks of the electorate were being excluded from that.
Not really.
The only people pushing this are the far left and the right, which should tell you all you need to know.
Been saying for over a year not to expect that 40+% to drop for the Tories. Opening up. Vaccines. Brexit delivered just a few months ago. PM with the biggest cult following of any politician in recent memory given daily press briefings while the LOTO isn’t allowed out of his room and any criticism is “doing them down during a pandemic”.
There’s signs the Tory vote is starting to soften, it’ll go Green and LD first, people don’t generally switch between the big two directly. Starmer is only just at a point where he can actually criticise Johnson without being told he’s pro-virus or something. Long way to go yet.
You don’t recover from the biggest post war defeat in a day. Currently Labour stand to take 20 seats off the Tories if polls stay the same:
But Tories do good PR. Vaccine programme doing well means 18 months of mismanagement, corruption and lying get forgotten.
I see already they're preparing the general public for the next 'Tories are great' story by having "biggest ever predicted growth" stories flying about, when with even a small amount of brainpower tells you that after the massive contraction we had due to the monumental fuck up we made with covid you'd have to be a special kind of inept for it not to be the highest growth year-on-year.
well that's becuz the working class is just abit thick, innit.
I find it genuinely fascinating. Just after the last election was reading an article on research from the University of Manchester where they had for several years been tracking peoples voting intention but also their responses to various policy areas.Oh god I'd rather stay away from that discussion today
The upshot was the way people vote doesn't line up with what they want the government to do.
I find it genuinely fascinating. Just after the last election was reading an article on research from the University of Manchester where they had for several years been tracking peoples voting intention but also their responses to various policy areas.
The upshot was the way people vote doesn't line up with what they want the government to do. Perhaps unexpectedly the largest beneficiaries if people did vote for the party most aligned with them was the Greens. Of course you could argue that at least in part the Greens, and other similar sized parties, lose votes due to our FPTP system and people believing it to be a wasted vote.
There has to be a reason and I don't believe its 'voters are stupid'. So what is it?
Absolutely. I posted in here a few weeks ago about the Hartlepool by-election.
They polled Hartlepool residents on what policies they want and then on which party they would vote for.
The majority wanted left leaning policies and/or the exact opposite of what the Tories are doing... and then said they'd vote Tory.
You see, thick as pigshit them working class.
Not really.
The only people pushing this are the far left and the right, which should tell you all you need to know.
Been saying for over a year not to expect that 40+% to drop for the Tories. Opening up. Vaccines. Brexit delivered just a few months ago. PM with the biggest cult following of any politician in recent memory given daily press briefings while the LOTO isn’t allowed out of his room and any criticism is “doing them down during a pandemic”.
There’s signs the Tory vote is starting to soften, it’ll go Green and LD first, people don’t generally switch between the big two directly. Starmer is only just at a point where he can actually criticise Johnson without being told he’s pro-virus or something. Long way to go yet.
You don’t recover from the biggest post war defeat in a day. Currently Labour stand to take 20 seats off the Tories if polls stay the same:
You see, thick as pigshit them working class.
Other than PVA
Sorry, I'll rephrase then, presumably to something more in keeping with your daily posts on the subject.
The working class are intelligent enough to know that Labour is unelectable.
People wouldn’t vote for greens - you are confusing liking policies but believing the government can do an effective job
Wasn't for a second suggesting everyone is about to vote Green, or even that they should. But its very odd that people who seem to favour polices diametrically opposed to Conservative policies vote for them.People wouldn’t vote for greens - you are confusing liking policies but believing the government can do an effective job
There was a report by the IFS released this week which again highlighted decreasing social mobility which seems directly at odds with the idea that working & middles class voters are voting Conservative due to being aspirational.People aren't asking what's wrong with Labour, they are asking what's so appealing about the Tories to the working class and so far the best answer we've had is something about aspirations, which makes no sense.
Daily Telegraph said:Millennials could see their wealth boosted by almost a fifth from inheritance, researchers have found, amid warnings of a widening gap between the rich and poor.
Inheritances have been growing as a share of national income in the UK since the 1970s, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), but the economic think tank believes they are now set to grow dramatically compared with other sources of income - meaning people's overall wealth is increasingly likely to be determined by their parents' assets rather than their own earnings.
The IFS, which publishes its findings in a report on Monday, also suggests people with higher incomes tend to be more likely to reduce the amount they save in anticipation of receiving future inheritances - meaning they could see a larger effect on their current living standards.
David Sturrock, a senior research economist at IFS and an author of the report, said: "The increasing levels of wealth held by older generations and the lack of income growth for younger generations are together driving an inter-generational economic divide.
"But these trends also mean that inheritances are set to become more important in future, widening the gap between those with rich parents and those with poor parents. The growing importance of inherited wealth will be a profound societal shift, one with worrying consequences for social mobility.
"As inheritances become larger, any policies that redistribute inheritances will have bigger impacts on inequality and social mobility, and this should increase the pressure to rationalise our system of inheritance taxation."
The IFS expects existing disparities between older and younger generations to translate into reduced social mobility within younger generations in the future. The smaller inheritances received by those with poorer parents will mean they have more ground to make up - making it increasingly hard for those with poor parents to move into higher income distribution brackets.
For people born in the 1980s, average inheritances could be nearly twice as large as for the 1960s generation. According to IFS projections, inheritances will be worth nine per cent of household lifetime income for those born in the 1960s, rising to 16 per cent for those born in the 1980s.
Alex Beer, welfare programme head at social well-being charity the Nuffield Foundation, said: "The pandemic has highlighted and exacerbated the social and economic inequalities within our society. This research shines a light on ways in which those inequalities are set to increase even further with the growing importance of inheritances in lifetime incomes."
Wasn't for a second suggesting everyone is about to vote Green, or even that they should. But its very odd that people who seem to favour polices diametrically opposed to Conservative policies vote for them.
Its nothing to do with how good or bad any other party is. The question that keeps being asked is why are people voting Conservative and nobody seems able to come up with an answer.
Saw a truly bizarre post on Facebook today from Jay Singh-Sohal, the Conservative candidate for Police and Crime Commissioner.Ingrained belief they're a steady hand, party of law-and-order etc and it's just becomes almost Pavlovian.
Saw a truly bizarre post on Facebook today from Jay Singh-Sohal, the Conservative candidate for Police and Crime Commissioner.
He had Priti Patel endorsing him as candidate on the basis he would stop rising levels of crime. So you've got the Home Secretary of the party under which this rise in crime has taken place, under whose leadership huge cuts to the police have been made, saying vote for the same party to resolve issues they've caused. The other thing he keeps pushing is that he will stop the closure of police stations, something which again has happened under his parties leadership.
Andy Street uses the same tactic. In fact his main polices this time round are pretty much identical to what he promised to deliver if he won the last election. It must work though as they keep winning!
Tradition. We've had a long,long period of right-wing politics and even the only break from that was centre-left at best. Ingrained belief they're a steady hand, party of law-and-order etc and it's just becomes almost Pavlovian.As people get older they tend to move the right as fear of change intensifies and we've had an ageing population for some time.
Benefits such as the capitalist led banking crisis leading to a world recession and ten years of austerity in this country that punished everyone aside from the capitalists that caused the problem in the first place. Yeah I see your point.As people get older they generally grow up and enjoy the benefits of capitalism - it’s nothing to do with fear
As people get older they generally grow up and enjoy the benefits of capitalism - it’s nothing to do with fear
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