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PVA · May 4, 2021

All hail the Dear Leader.

"Boris Johnson’s government has appointed a known partisan to the BBC board, in an overt bid to politicise a governance body supposed to be free from political influence.

Robbie Gibb, a former aide to two Tory politicians – he served as Theresa May’s director of communications in No 10, and as chief of staff to former Tory shadow chancellor Francis Maude in the 1990s – has been made the board’s member of England. The role was previously filled by Ashley Steel, the former global head of transport for KPMG, whose political anonymity was typical for those on the BBC board. Gibb, by contrast, is a political appointee filling what has historically been an apolitical role."

RedSalmon · May 4, 2021

chiefdave said:
My Mum, who is a Daily Mail reading Thatcher loving lifelong Conservative voter, thinks Burnham is fantastic. Not entirely sure why to be honest.

Also thinks Sultana, who she didn't vote for, is the best MP she's ever had. Funny business politics.

A few years ago, just before the election that Miliband lost, both he and Burnham came along to where I worked and engaged in an open forum discussion. Everyone who was there afterwards agreed that Miliband was way out of his depth, but everyone who spoke to Burnham was very impressed with his understanding, communication and ability to engage with people. Got the opportunity to speak to him on a one to one basis (afterwards) and came away very impressed and have been surprised that he has not been seriously tipped to take charge of the Labour party.

chiefdave · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
A good thread for those that want to see the wood from the trees:

What point is she trying to make there?

Looking at the previous election is looks like Brexit party votes were roughly 70% Labour voters, 30% Conservative. If they go back to the two main parties 80/20 or 70/30 in the Conservatives favour that's a huge Labour to Conservative swing over two elections isn't it?

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

chiefdave said:
What point is she trying to make there?

Looking at the previous election is looks like Brexit party votes were roughly 70% Labour voters, 30% Conservative. If they go back to the two main parties 80/20 or 70/30 in the Conservatives favour that's a huge Labour to Conservative swing over two elections isn't it?

Yep. But the point is they were lost in 2015.
It’s nothing to do with the stories of the day, that was a Conservative seat years ago.

ccfctommy · May 4, 2021

I think I will give the lib dems my vote this Thursday.

Deleted member 5849 · May 4, 2021

ccfctommy said:
I think I will give the lib dems my vote this Thursday.

Currently here I've had one Tory, and one TUSC leaflet - that's it. Given one of our councillors died, you'd think the mooted replacement would be doing some campaigning, at the very least!

As for the Police Commissioner, I have no clue who any of them are, or what they want to do.

How can I vote, if nobody wants to tell me what (and who!) I'm voting for! At least I got the booklet with the mayoral candidates, I suppose!

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

Feel a bit silly voting in the locals when I’m moving out of the council area two days later.

Not voting Labour for WM Mayor until they give me a sensible candidate to vote for. Sick of the Midlands being the red headed stepchild of local areas.

skybluetony176 · May 4, 2021

mrtrench said:
OK, I'll bite. This is for other people, not you Tony, as you'll continue arguing the toss no matter how indefensible your corner.

1. It is a fact that use of FB is growing in older age groups.
2. It is a fact that the majority of people on FB are younger.
3. Only one of those facts is relevant to Ian's original position, which was in response to a statement that Social Media is dominated by the young. It's the second fact. Growth rates are irrelevant for conversations about the present demographic.

Let me try with a completely different situation, as a metaphor.

Most cars on the road in the UK are powered by petrol or diesel. It's only a tiny proportion of all cars on the road that are electric.

However, the proportion of new cars that are electric being sold each year is growing very quickly: 3.2% of all new cars in 2019 up to 10.7% in 2020. That doesn't change the fact that there are still many many more cars on the road that are powered by petrol and diesel than are electric.

You wouldn't argue, for example, that car pollution is a thing of the past, because the proportion of electric cars being sold each year is rising. Similarly, you cannot argue that most people on FB are old, because that demographic is rising... when you've already been shown that still, in aggregate, it's dominated by the young.

Got it?

Here's an exercise to hone your new skill:

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“Many organisations find it beneficial to employ students over the summer. Permanent staff often wish to take their own holidays over this period. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for companies to experience peak workloads in the summer and so require extra staff. Summer employment also attracts students who may return as well-qualified recruits to an organisation when they have completed their education. Ensuring that the students learn as much as possible about the organisation encourages interest in working on a permanent basis. Organisations pay students on a fixed rate without the usual entitlement to paid holidays or bonus schemes.”

Reply with True, False or Cannot say:

Statement 1: It is possible that permanent staff who are on holiday can have their work carried out by students.
Statement 2: Students in summer employment are given the same paid holiday benefit as permanent staff.
Statement 3: Students are subject to the organisation’s standard disciplinary and grievance procedures.
Statement 4: Some companies have more work to do in the summer when students are available for vacation work.

Good luck!

I never said otherwise. I just pointed out that the demographics of Facebook users are changing. Which they are.

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
Sultana is the latest rumour for who they’re going to dredge up from the talent puddle to challenge Starmer. Which should tell you how serious any of this is.

Sultana has been impressive asa constituency MP, she shouldn't be considered as leader.

Burnham is the only viable candidate really. I don't like Reeves but think she's performed quite well when I essentially her.

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Nandy would be the best leader for Labour. A clean candidate who opposed Corbyn but remained loyal to traditional Labour values. The Labour Party would be mad to not vote her the next leader.

Any time I see her under a bit of pressure she looks like she's going to crumble.

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Currently here I've had one Tory, and one TUSC leaflet - that's it. Given one of our councillors died, you'd think the mooted replacement would be doing some campaigning, at the very least!

As for the Police Commissioner, I have no clue who any of them are, or what they want to do.

How can I vote, if nobody wants to tell me what (and who!) I'm voting for! At least I got the booklet with the mayoral candidates, I suppose!

I've been inundated and thrown everyone straight in the bin

PVA · May 4, 2021

Burnham would be a decent shout.

But I don't think it matters who the leader of the opposition is at the moment, the Tories are absolutely teflon with getting Brexit 'done' and the vaccine bounce. All the other shit they’re up to people either don't care about or are oblivious too.

I’m sure Starmer (or whoever the LOTO was) would love to come out on the attack and call Johnson a useless lazy fuckwit, we know that’s what he thinks of him, but it’s not what the public wants to hear right now. Criticising Johnson is tantamount to treason in the eyes of many.

Instead he just has to bide his time and play the long game. It makes him look weak or indecisive or ineffective but it’s his best bet. It’s too early to come out on the attack now, so far from the next election. Bide his time, wait for the inquiries into Covid/PPE/Corruption to come out, wait for the Tory infighting to start, and then go on the offensive.

Ian1779 · May 4, 2021

You are probably right about the Tory Teflon effect at the moment. What Labour don’t appear to have done is give the electorate a reason to vote for them ‘other than not being Tory’ or ‘new management’ in an era where the current incumbent are pretty untouchable.
I think Starmer is being let down by a pretty atrocious strategy team currently. It’s no secret I am not a fan of his at all... but replacing him at this stage is of no use to anyone other than Johnson.

Philosoraptor · May 4, 2021

I think it is just a matter of time now.

Sir Keir Starmer says he will take responsibility for Labour election results

Speaking ahead of Thursday's elections, the leader says there is still a mountain to climb for his party.

www.bbc.co.uk

Philosoraptor · May 4, 2021

Ian1779 said:
...What Labour don’t appear to have done is give the electorate a reason to vote for them ‘other than not being Tory...

Absolutely correct.

Not a good enough reason in my book to vote Labour.

Of course, if you can't split the political parties on local public policy what reason can you give to vote Labour?

SBAndy · May 4, 2021

PVA said:
Burnham would be a decent shout.

But I don't think it matters who the leader of the opposition is at the moment, the Tories are absolutely teflon with getting Brexit 'done' and the vaccine bounce. All the other shit they’re up to people either don't care about or are oblivious too.

I’m sure Starmer (or whoever the LOTO was) would love to come out on the attack and call Johnson a useless lazy fuckwit, we know that’s what he thinks of him, but it’s not what the public wants to hear right now. Criticising Johnson is tantamount to treason in the eyes of many.

Instead he just has to bide his time and play the long game. It makes him look weak or indecisive or ineffective but it’s his best bet. It’s too early to come out on the attack now, so far from the next election. Bide his time, wait for the inquiries into Covid/PPE/Corruption to come out, wait for the Tory infighting to start, and then go on the offensive.

The danger, though, is that the Tories are already planning for their future without Boris at the helm. At that point all this PPE/cronyism/etc scandal can be palmed off on the previous incumbent and perpetuates this Teflon image. Sitting tight for the right time to attack will ultimately, I’m sure, result in that perfect time being missed.

Deleted member 5849 · May 4, 2021

SBAndy said:
The danger, though, is that the Tories are already planning for their future without Boris at the helm. At that point all this PPE/cronyism/etc scandal can be palmed off on the previous incumbent and perpetuates this Teflon image. Sitting tight for the right time to attack will ultimately, I’m sure, result in that perfect time being missed.

Maybe, but it's also true that it won't play well now. Cummings has tried to blow the bloody doors off, and all that's happened is that the government has become more popular!

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

SBAndy said:
The danger, though, is that the Tories are already planning for their future without Boris at the helm. At that point all this PPE/cronyism/etc scandal can be palmed off on the previous incumbent and perpetuates this Teflon image. Sitting tight for the right time to attack will ultimately, I’m sure, result in that perfect time being missed.

No opposition can do anything about a government delivering first on 50% of the populations main priority then on 100% of the nations top priority.

But equally no government has a run of luck like that. Can only brexit and vaccinate once, then you’ve actually got to run the country.

I suspect we’ll get shot of Johnson towards the end of the year then a GE with the new model in 2022.

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Deleted member 5849 · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
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So that's what happened to our former left back!

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
So that's what happened to our former left back!

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
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Is actually a small drop in right wing vote from 2019, won’t be reported as that though. “This trend that’s been happening for twenty years is definitely proof of my pet theory about the last year/month/day”.

Meanwhile the south is deserting the Tories as the educated millennials move out to the suburbs. Also been happening for 20 years.

Will be interesting to watch the strategies switch around when Labour realise they have to go full bore at economic centrists and rural voters.

Deleted member 5849 · May 4, 2021

I'm equally worried about a John Prescott standing for Farage's lot!

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

These lot don't help our fight though, sorry Wisdom I'm done now

People from hartlepool see things like this and think fuck you

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

Yay Tories rule everywhere and with the SNP permanently winning in Scotland the whole island’s shit!

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yay Tories rule everywhere and with the SNP permanently winning in Scotland the whole island’s shit!

Only place to hide is London, and that’s full of Londoners: the only thing worse than a Tory

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

No end in sight either

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
Only place to hide is London, and that’s full of Londoners: the only thing worse than a Tory

The only refuge is Brighton at this point. The country basically being a one party state makes me want out more than ever

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The only refuge is Brighton at this point. The country basically being a one party state makes me want out more than ever

Coventry is still Labour , well just about

PVA · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
These lot don't help our fight though, sorry Wisdom I'm done now View attachment 19952

People from hartlepool see things like this and think fuck you

I'm sorry I just don't get this thinking.

A random on twitter says something a person doesn't like like on social media and that person's thought is 'I know, I'll vote for the incompetent, corrupt tories who shaft people like me at every opportunity instead, that'll show that person on twitter'.

Just makes no sense.

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

PVA said:
I'm sorry I just don't get this thinking.

A random on twitter says something a person doesn't like like on social media and that person's thought is 'I know, I'll vote for the incompetent, corrupt tories who shaft people like me at every opportunity instead, that'll show that person on twitter'.

Just makes no sense.

Been through this already .

Makes no sense to you , makes perfect sense to me

People won't vote for this, maybe people who think this way would ..but not much else

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Coventry is still Labour , well just about

It’s all just going one way Evo and that’s the Tories getting more votes the shitter they govern. Like if there isn’t even a pathway back for a Labour government it’s just permanent crap

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s all just going one way Evo and that’s the Tories getting more votes the shitter they govern. Like if there isn’t even a pathway back for a Labour government it’s just permanent crap

Il still vote for them ,but it's more a "it's what we do " thing more than anything.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Il still vote for them ,but it's more a "it's what we do " thing more than anything.

Well no in my mind on policy they are miles better, always look at the manifestos. Try to not look too much at idiots on social media but what each party tends to do in office

PVA · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
People won't vote for this

…but they will vote for the lying, stealing, corrupt, incompetent party who will fuck them over?

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