Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

You've posted one example of it, but that aside their MPs are not literally calling people thick racists, yet Tory government is literally stealing from people and fucking the country.

Hmm, I could tag you hundreds of posts on social media by Labour MPs If I wanted to ...all deeply damaging to public opinion .

They should be fucked out the party

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

These lot don't help our fight though, sorry Wisdom I'm done now View attachment 19952

People from hartlepool see things like this and think fuck you

tbf, Hartlepool does make Nuneaton seem like Notting Hill and Covent Garden

 

[Evo1883]

tbf, Hartlepool does make Nuneaton seem like Notting Hill and Covent Garden

Ofcourse , but they are just normal people trying to get by

 

[shmmeee]

tbf, Hartlepool does make Nuneaton seem like Notting Hill and Covent Garden

Lot more Hartlepools than there are Notting Hills though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Ofcourse , but they are just normal people trying to get by

Oh no they aren't!

(I can say this, having relatives there!)

 

[Evo1883]

Oh no they aren't!

(I can say this, having relatives there!)

OK, they are just people

Well....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think people genuinely do , that's the thing .
What we think isn't what everybody thinks .

Then you see why I’m just fed up of living in this country.

 

[Evo1883]

Lot more Hartlepools than there are Notting Hills though.

Labour need all the hartlepools , they need these people on their side if they are to ever win another election

 

[Evo1883]

Then you see why I’m just fed up of living in this country.

It can be changed .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It can be changed .

How? Labour are never getting back in.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How? Labour are never getting back in.

Looked like the Tories weren't when Blair was sweeping all beside him.

 

[Ian1779]

Without wanting to get into conspiracy, would be interested to see a breakdown of tabloid sales by region in relation to voting patterns. The voting patterns in somewhere like Liverpool which has virtually zero sales of the Sun and far less of other papers like the Mail/Express seems to suggest that something is different there. And it can’t just all be Hillsborough related.

 

[shmmeee]

Labour need all the hartlepools , they need these people on their side if they are ro ever win another election

Not going to change demographic shifts that have been happening for decades though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Without wanting to get into conspiracy, would be interested to see a breakdown of tabloid sales by region in relation to voting patterns. The voting patterns in somewhere like Liverpool which has virtually zero sales of the Sun and far less of other papers like the Mail/Express seems to suggest that something is different there. And it can’t just all be Hillsborough related.

Back in... 83? 87? The Sun's headline was VOTE TORY and a minority of their readership did.

 

[PVA]

Hmm, I could tag you hundreds of posts on social media by Labour MPs If I wanted to ...all deeply damaging to public opinion .

They should be fucked out the party

You're missing my point

Written words on social media is apparently a good enough reason not to vote Labour, but actual corruption, lying, 130k dead, record poverty & foodbank usage are not good enough reasons not to vote Tory?

Because one of those things is much more serious than the other, and its not the nasty words on twitter

 

[PVA]

Then you see why I’m just fed up of living in this country.

Quite.

Depressing isn't it.

 

[Evo1883]

How? Labour are never getting back in.

Labour need to change...I think we all know this anyway , they can't continue like this and expect to be elected .

It's going to get alot worse before the penny drops .

 

[shmmeee]

You're missing my point

Written words on social media is apparently a good enough reason not to vote Labour, but actual corruption, lying, 130k dead, record poverty & foodbank usage are not good enough reasons not to vote Tory?

Because one of those things is much more serious than the other, and its not the nasty words on twitter

You fundamentally misunderstand people. No one likes people more because they’re right or perfect, they like people who seem to like them and for many years Labour havent.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour need to change...I think we all know this anyway , they can't continue like this and expect to be elected .

It's going to get alot worse before the penny drops .

And the answer is to have more people like Michael fucking Gove? It’s faster and easier to emigrate

 

[Evo1883]

You're missing my point

Written words on social media is apparently a good enough reason not to vote Labour, but actual corruption, lying, 130k dead, record poverty & foodbank usage are not good enough reasons not to vote Tory?

Because one of those things is much more serious than the other, and its not the nasty words on twitter

Look let's not talk wet here ...like i said before I used a foodbank under a LABOUR government , Labour lied , people died , Labour politicians are corrupt too , rich politicians with a different tie on , you think people can't see this ?

Let's be real now

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Looked like the Tories weren't when Blair was sweeping all beside him.

This feels very different.

 

[Evo1883]

Not going to change demographic shifts that have been happening for decades though.

Probably right

 

[PVA]

You fundamentally misunderstand people. No one likes people more because they’re right or perfect, they like people who seem to like them and for many years Labour havent.

Yeah but there's being right and perfect.... And then there's this government. They're fucking crooks.

I have no problem with people not voting Labour. But to then vote Tory with the justification that you don't like what Labour say about you is just crazy.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Look let's not talk wet here ...like i said before I used a foodbank under a LABOUR government , Labour lied , people died , Labour politicians are corrupt too , rich politicians with a different tie on , you think people can't see this ?

Let's be real now

It was Teddy Taylor who said he far preferred Labour MPs as they were far nicer people than those from his own party, he just disagreed with their policies.

Isn't really true that they're all the same, but I'll grant you that they need to persuade the likes of you that that isn't the case.

 

[Evo1883]

Yeah but there's being right and perfect.... And then there's this government. They're fucking crooks.

I have no problem with people not voting Labour. But to then vote Tory with the justification that you don't like what Labour say about you is just crazy.

Michael gove isn't telling dave from hartlepool on 14,000 a year living in a High rise flat that he's a thick , racist privileged little englander

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah but there's being right and perfect.... And then there's this government. They're fucking crooks.

I have no problem with people not voting Labour. But to then vote Tory with the justification that you don't like what Labour say about you is just crazy.

Doesn’t matter. Post expenses scandal “they’re all as bad as each other”.

The “justification” is “of the two serious possibilities they’re the one that doesn’t seem to think I’m a c**t”

People don’t read manifestos or Twitter news threads they take a gut feel about a party/leader.

 

[Evo1883]

Doesn’t matter. Post expenses scandal “they’re all as bad as each other”.

The “justification” is “of the two serious possibilities they’re the one that doesn’t seem to think I’m a c**t”

People don’t read manifestos or Twitter news threads they take a gut feel about a party/leader.

This , most voters don't read the party manifesto .
In the same way they don't read the small print before signing a contract with Vodafone

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Michael gove isn't telling dave from hartlepool on 14,000 a year living in a High rise flat that he's a thick , racist privileged little englander

Michael Gove did untold damage to education in his time as a minister and Gavin Williamson shut schools after one day but hey

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Michael gove isn't telling dave from hartlepool on 14,000 a year living in a High rise flat that he's a thick , racist privileged little englander

I honestly can't think of a high rise flat in Hartlepool. Maybe I've blotted it out of my memory...

 

[PVA]

Michael gove isn't telling dave from hartlepool on 14,000 a year living in a High rise flat that he's a thick , racist privileged little englander

Does Keir Starmer? Does Jess Philips or Dawn Butler? Of course not ffs.

Do those three people steal taxpayers money and give it to their mates? No.

 

[shmmeee]

The only thing I’m holding on to is the hope that there’s some kind of critical mass of left wing people fucked off with the screaming children that are the modern online left and we have some kind of Kinnock V Militant scenario where they all get kicked out or shut up, can’t see it though.

Can’t see a centrist party breaking through either. I worry it’ll be racists Vs snowflakes for good. Somethings got to give surely? The vast majority of people aren’t like either extreme.

 

[Evo1883]

I honestly can't think of a high rise flat in Hartlepool. Maybe I've blotted it out of my memory...

You get my point

 

[clint van damme]

I vote Labour, shmmeee alluded to it before why people don't like them ...they dont appeal to people .

They are the party of activism , the party of identity and social politics .

if you keep telling people how thick, racist and privileged they are , they won't vote for you .

I get it, I really do .

You can put forward good policies etc but nobody likes your MPs

Johnson called working class men drunk, feckless and hopeless.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Had this through the door the other day. Something is going wrong. Appreciate Evo used a food bank under Labour but it is getting worse all the time. We can do better. Rather uplifting says Jacob Rees-Mogg.

 

[PVA]

Michael Gove did untold damage to education in his time as a minister and Gavin Williamson shut schools after one day but hey

Exactly this.