Do you want to discuss boring politics? (52 Viewers)
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Brighton Sky Blue
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We have been, but I was addressing the idea that the British public are inherently centre right. Perception is trumping the policy substance you claim to care about
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Thing I find hard to tally in that is that Con voters are so out of step with public opinion overall, but as Tories have a good majority you're left wondering how on earth can that many people disagree with them yet they win.
Only things I can come up with is lower turnout of people with those beliefs and those opinions being split between a number of parties (Lab/LD/Green/SNP to a degree etc) whereas those who don't tend to just get behind Tories as other right wing parties like UKIP/BNP etc don't tend to get quite the same, certainly in GE.
Take your pick. Every little 'fact' you've come up with this morning has proven to be rubbish. Especially the one about Facebook age groups.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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As are many parties. The proper hardcore element of the woke brigade surely must follow the Greens more than anyone, then arguably Lib Dem. Greens have some mad social justice stuff that really undermines their main issues.
Grendel
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Should they be banned for standing? I mean let’s be honest however educated and young you are you must be as thick as Pig shit to vote for them if it’s not because you believe in them?
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If Milliband is seen as radical left, God help British politics.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Not entirely sure what your point is on being banned from standing.
People vote for all sorts of reasons. A lot of people will vote either Con or Lab because they see it as a two party system and if they don't vote for the one of those they're most closely aligned to them you're going to end up with the other much less palatable option. Not that you believe in them, just they're slightly more preferable to the alternative. If you pay attention most often what you'll hear for the voting is 'I can't/won't vote for the other party'. It's not an endorsement or belief in who they're voting for, it's a rejection of the alternative.
As has been pointed out there a lots of people who seem to state what they want and that they're voting Con despite their policy being totally at odds with that. That's down to more effective campaigning/'marketing' and having a lot of MSM, esp print media behind you pushing your narrative or spinning it in your favour.
Take my auntie. Over the years she's been classic leftie - supported/organised strike action, been to demo's and protests on stuff from vivisection to CND and still does occassionally despite now being a pensioner. Yet she reads the Daily Mail because her dad did and its shows. He views on stuff like immigration and economics, which she's not clued up about at all, are pretty much taken verbatim from the Mail.
shmmeee
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Most issues are around 50% for the plurality/majority opinion. The country is about 55% left 45% right generally. But the 55% is spread across 5/6 parties, including 2/3 reasonable large ones, and the 45% is between the Tories and one of the joke parties like Reform/BXP.
Turnout is an obvious issue as well, it’s basically the inverse of the left wing vote.
Mostly though, it’s that the Tories try and win elections and Labour try and win arguments IMO.
Grendel
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It’s actually 80% in the middle
shmmeee
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Deoends how you define the middle, but the polls in posted show it’s clearly not. Taking the knee was the most divisive topic and it was 37/37 for and against.
It’s 80% who aren’t bothered by politics I’d give you that. But everyone has an opinion. And generally it’s “don’t be racist, and leave transwomen alone, but have some checks on becoming a transwoman”, which isn’t quite “Labour are dead forever cos of the wokeness” which was the original argument.
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It's been answered but you have chosen to ignore or else have dismissed it out of hand, as you usually do, as well as simply being contrary in your arguments rather than debate, hence folks can't be bothered to further respond to your repeated claim.
Meanwhile, here's good news Brexit story
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Venues aim to recruit after Covid but face lack of supply of skilled people from the EU
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skybluetony176
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Poor old Boris. Has he considered using food banks? I have it on good authority that they’re “rather uplifting”.
www.thetimes.co.uk
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Two comments made by people in Downing Street as the “cash for curtains” affair intensified sum up the predicament in which Boris Johnson finds himself this wee
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Philosoraptor
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Always good to read about a metaphorical political assassination no matter what party or who it is.
Democratic Unionists facing divisive leadership battle
Political editor Enda McClafferty says the DUP could end up with a border down the middle of the party.
www.bbc.co.uk
Philosoraptor
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The favourite to take over is a 'young-earth creationist'.
Edwin Poots: My view on the earth is that it's a young earth. My view is 4000 BC.
I so like the idea of a Deity burying fossils to look millions of years old just to confuse paleontologists.
Edwin Poots: My view on the earth is that it's a young earth. My view is 4000 BC.
I so like the idea of a Deity burying fossils to look millions of years old just to confuse paleontologists.
SBAndy
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For many, the 2019 GE was a watershed moment when many who couldn’t ever have imagined voting Tory actually did so due to the Brexit situation. I think now, with the fact that very little has happened on this yet to spur the taste, many of those people no longer see what the fuss is about and have more appetite to vote Tory in the future.
Someone said earlier on that the Tories try to win elections and Labour try to win arguments. I don’t think that’s the case. Labour tries to win the battle of morality constantly, refusing to properly go after the bluster of “no one cares about X” or “we’re just getting on with the job”. I think back to the 2019 GE and how it was basically a Brexit referendum by proxy, and not once can I recall Labour making clear that it wasn’t a one-policy issue and how ridiculous the Tories’ manifesto was - almost like a colouring book.
Until they stop trying to play super-nice all the time and start calling things as they see them, they will struggle.
SBAndy
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Edit: but now the Tories have essentially taken control even of the BBC news agenda, Labour are pretty fucked.
Grendel
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Er no it isn’t
UK Facebook users by age group 2024 | Statista
Users aged 25 to 34 years old made up the largest audience of Facebook in the United Kingdom in July 2024, accounting for 24.7 percent of all users.
www.statista.com
I’ve already provided this
Er no it isn’t
UK Facebook users by age group 2024 | Statista
Users aged 25 to 34 years old made up the largest audience of Facebook in the United Kingdom in July 2024, accounting for 24.7 percent of all users.
I’ve already provided this
What do you think that link proves?
That's true.
I guess that's what happens when you go to university and get brainwashed by the non stop extreme-left Marxist communist snowflake woke liberal trans curriculum that UK education has been infiltrated by.
What we need is to elect people who can really connect with the working man. Maybe the son of a toolmaker? No. Let's choose Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg. Yes, much better.
Sick Boy
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Both sides are as bad as the other on there, it’s a cesspit.
skybluetony176
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The only age groups where Facebook users are growing is the older age groups (over 65 especially). In the younger groups the numbers are in decline and under 20 its just seen as something old people do. A bit like how smoking woodbines was seen as something old people did by the B&H generation.
Quite.
But Grendel thinks that's 'just rubbish' and apparently proved it's rubbish by posting the current numbers, without a comparison to previous years.