David O'Day
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Yep and so far there has been no real movement to end funding.
She was speaking not for them when she talked about removing funds.
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Yep and so far there has been no real movement to end funding.
She was speaking not for them when she talked about removing funds.
shmmeee
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It lost in 2010 and 2015 because it was up against a popular and moderate Tory leader after 13 years in government.
New Labour may have had shitty policies but that wasn’t what got them elected. That was a focus on crime, the NHS and education. And by assuaging fears about overspending. And yet still managed to massively increase funding, outside of anything like PFI. Obviously the next Labour government will need different policies, but they’ll likely get elected the same way.
shmmeee
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What he said was he wanted to govenrment to step in and end the strikes by getting round the table. Not quite the same. You’re like a hard left Daily Mail when it comes to Starmer.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Haha-not quite. He said in his recent Sky interview he didn’t want the strikes to happen and before that he tried to ban MPs from joining the pickets.
Labour should stop being ashamed of the organisations that founded it and still donate a huge chunk of its funding. If that’s hard left then Corbz me up
shmmeee
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Brighton Sky Blue
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They used to be but pulled it in the Miliband years. Unite however are certainly affiliated and he laughed at them-can always post that unfortunate clip again. The leader of the Labour Party should be pro union and thus pro worker-the clue’s in the name.
Still they won a great result despite having no support from the party and a Labour council working against them.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Key word in this sentence is ‘projections’ and they are constantly readjusted. To be perfectly honest, the whole of Europe is on the cusp of recession. Russia cutting off gas (a likely outcome) would be enough to plunge most European economies, including Italy, Germany and most Eastern Bloc countries into recession alone. That’s a danger. There’s also the real risk that the eurozone will fragment and there’s potential for another Eurozone crisis.
If we manage to avoid a recession in 2022/23, I imagine we’ll come to view this as a success during that period.
Europe, as a whole, has been a region with pretty stagnant growth for about 20 years.
rob9872
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Oops, red on red war already beginning on here and not even a sniff of an election yet. Wait until the PR is in full swing and then you can all look forward to another 5 years of Conservative rule, whilst you contine arguing on here about what could've been done differently. Any idea what page number this thread will he on then? 
clint van damme
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Oops, red on red war already beginning on here and not even a sniff of an election yet. Wait until the PR is in full swing and then you can all look forward to another 5 years of Conservative rule, whilst you contine arguing on here about what could've been done differently. Any idea what page number this thread will he on then?
Thats what happens when people have beliefs that stretch beyond forelock tugging and tax cuts
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Oops, red on red war already beginning on here and not even a sniff of an election yet. Wait until the PR is in full swing and then you can all look forward to another 5 years of Conservative rule, whilst you contine arguing on here about what could've been done differently. Any idea what page number this thread will he on then?
Were you skybluedom in a former life?
rob9872
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If that were true I'd get it more, but all I see on the past few pages, is arguing over who is left, who is centrist and how much you do or don't like startmer and some irrelevant references to Corbyn still thrown about. A bit like the party it's more of 'well at least we're not them' rather than 'this is what we think we should do'.
rob9872
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I don't remember him tbh so don't understand the reference, I'm guessing uncomplimentary, but no, disappointingly for you all, one username, always been me.
Sky Blue Pete
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You’re so right
Otis
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Or "Mick's Going to Lynch Ya" with a pic of him doing an evil stare
shmmeee
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There’s a difference between being pro workers rights and always getting involved in every dispute on the workers side. Politicians job is to set the rules not get in the game. If you want picket lines and protests go to the millions of organisations designed for that. Polticial parties are there to win and wield power, not protest those with it.
shmmeee
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Oops, red on red war already beginning on here and not even a sniff of an election yet. Wait until the PR is in full swing and then you can all look forward to another 5 years of Conservative rule, whilst you contine arguing on here about what could've been done differently. Any idea what page number this thread will he on then?
“beginning”
Is this your first time meeting Labour supporters?
clint van damme
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Point of order, I thought politicians were elected to serve the public?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Perception is reality, and the perception is that the Labour leader isn’t on our side. Abandoning pledges to do so, laughing at professions and cities, abstaining and not commenting in order to look mature etc. It isn’t leadership-particularly when Tories will use the same attack lines whether you stand for things or abstain.
Brighton Sky Blue
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For it to be red on red I’d have had to have voted Labour more than zero times since the GE.
And I’d disagree that people haven’t said what they want the party to be doing. One ‘side’ sees the not commenting on anything and abstaining on votes as a weakness, the other as 3D chess.
shmmeee
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They are. That doesn’t mean turning up at your workplace to give you a pep talk. It means making sure laws are passed that are beneficial to the public.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well they abstain on those too.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Starts with Nick Ferrari not knowing strike laws, then moves into an earnest debate on who holds working people in greater contempt
clint van damme
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Yeah, was just semantics, the tories are fond of the term, I just find it a bit authoritarian.
fernandopartridge
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Being a Tory it's probably his first time meeting people with any sort of principle beyond self-interest
shmmeee
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How many votes have Labour abstained on where they could’ve changed the outcome?
shmmeee
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It’s a genuine question BSB, the only one that comes to mind was the covid tiers. Did you want him to vote them down?
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chiefdave
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Not sure I follow the logic of this. Any vote they aren't going to win they just shouldn't bother with? Surely that's just giving the government a stick to beat them with. Anything that goes wrong the response will be 'you didn't vote against it' and you'll be seen as a weak and ineffective opposition.
David O'Day
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labour been calling for more support for about a year now, the tories even nicked one of their ideas
but let's not let facts get in the way of a shit meme
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well it makes no sense-don’t vote against anything because you’re the opposition and thus don’t have the numbers?