Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yeah I’d want a sort of green middle. With corridors for nature planned in and as you say more parks and stuff like Canley ford carved out.

I don’t think we are overpopulated TBH. We’re down at 50th for population density below places like the Netherlands and Japan. I also think we might see big improvements in land use efficiency if we can crack stuff like self driving cars and package delivery. Replace shops and car parks with residential and parks. And we’re well below replenishment rate without immigration so it’s pretty easy to turn off the taps if we want.

And I do think people overestimate exactly how much we’ve built on:

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Green and blue corridors are absolutely vital as long as we also retain decent sides parks linking them together with a range of habitats as well as green space for local communities to use.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Though since he asked, the German rate is 30% from what I see.

 

[PVA]

People dying in corridors but hey Keith said something about strikes so I couldn't possibly vote Labour even if doing so might improve the NHS.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

People dying in corridors but hey Keith said something about strikes so I couldn't possibly vote Labour even if doing so might improve the NHS.

So why isn’t Sneer making these arguments himself and trying to lead the narrative?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Even the 25% Sunak wants would be low by first world standards?

For me I think it's ridiculous that there's no equivalence between businesses and people. People are actually living, sentient beings. Businesses are not.

Businesses pay their tax on profits, people on gross income. That's ridiculous. It'd be like having a person with a six figure income not paying tax because he's bought a mansion, a Ferrari and eats his dinner in a Michelin restaurant every night.

If you charged tax on revenue, the rate could drop drastically to at least 5%, maybe lower. Then the tax burden on ordinary people would be reduced. It'd have the advantage of getting rid of the ludicrous things of companies being able to carry forward/back profits against tax.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

For me I think it's ridiculous that there's no equivalence between businesses and people. People are actually living, sentient beings. Businesses are not.

Businesses pay their tax on profits, people on gross income. That's ridiculous. It'd be like having a person with a six figure income not paying tax because he's bought a mansion, a Ferrari and eats his dinner in a Michelin restaurant every night.

If you charged tax on revenue, the rate could drop drastically to at least 5%, maybe lower. Then the tax burden on ordinary people would be reduced. It'd have the advantage of getting rid of the ludicrous things of companies being able to carry forward/back profits against tax.

Germany’s as I said is 30 and their economy’s strength is undisputed

 

[Deleted member 9744]

People dying in corridors but hey Keith said something about strikes so I couldn't possibly vote Labour even if doing so might improve the NHS.

Yes, the position of the Ambulance service is shocking. Problem is most people only care about this sort of thing when they need it.

 

[Grendel]

Though since he asked, the German rate is 30% from what I see.

The standard tax rate is 15% there are other trade taxes that may be applied.

If you like it or not there is little correlation between taxing business and gains in GDP - businesses will move HQ, manipulate accounts or reduce waste (often workers) to protect themselves - I believe the lower rate for Germany is a base rate for smes who trade internally - taxing them more now will be hugely detrimental

I never get the VAT idea as that will benefit the wealthy more than the poor

 

[Deleted member 9744]

So why isn’t Sneer making these arguments himself and trying to lead the narrative?

Because we have a predominately right wing media. So he might be but we would be unlikely to hear if so.

Can't you grow up and not use these silly nicknames?

 

[PVA]

Yes, the position of the Ambulance service is shocking. Problem is most people only care about this sort of thing when they need it.

Yeah definitely.

It annoys me when I speak to people and they say I'll be better off under a Tory government because I'll pay less tax.

Fine, you've got a few extra quid in your pocket at the end of every month.

But are you really better off if you have to wait 12 months for an operation? Or if your nan has to wait 6 hours in agony for an ambulance?

 

[Grendel]

Germany’s as I said is 30 and their economy’s strength is undisputed

The strength of course is due to the Eu and the single currency which has allowed it to dominate Europe in industry especially at the expense of poor countries

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Yeah definitely.

It annoys me when I speak to people and they say I'll be better off under a Tory government because I'll pay less tax.

Fine, you've got a few extra quid in your pocket at the end of every month.

But are you really better off if you have to wait 12 months for an operation? Or if your nan has to wait 6 hours in agony for an ambulance?

Well they think they will be able to pay to go private anyway.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because we have a predominately right wing media. So he might be but we would be unlikely to hear if so.

Can't you grow up and not use these silly nicknames?

Well he laughs at teachers, Coventry and the unions so it’s an equal level of respect

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The strength of course is due to the Eu and the single currency which has allowed it to dominate Europe in industry especially at the expense of poor countries

Was it not strong for many years before the single currency? It was of course split into two for decades and outperformed its neighbours despite that. Mrs Thatcher was understandably lukewarm to reunification because it would offer even stiffer competition-despite apparently being in favour of personal freedom.

Tax levels on the rich and big business need to be higher in any case because of their ability to exploit loopholes. The effective rate never matches the headline rate anyway.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah definitely.

It annoys me when I speak to people and they say I'll be better off under a Tory government because I'll pay less tax.

Fine, you've got a few extra quid in your pocket at the end of every month.

But are you really better off if you have to wait 12 months for an operation? Or if your nan has to wait 6 hours in agony for an ambulance?

I think the answer there is they’re not usually looking to cut taxes for the average person but for the very well off and big business.

 

[Grendel]

Was it not strong for many years before the single currency? It was of course split into two for decades and outperformed its neighbours despite that.

Tax levels on the rich and big business need to be higher in any case because of their ability to exploit loopholes. The effective rate never matches the headline rate anyway.

The single currency meant its dominance was compounded

Tax on business raises Very little in the grand scheme at all. You really need to look at the big costs in public services future it and work how to address it

 

[rob9872]

What’s Ireland?

There's someone who might know but I think he's ignoring you ....

 

[Grendel]

I think the answer there is they’re not usually looking to cut taxes for the average person but for the very well off and big business.

oh the average tax burden will reduce under truss income tax base and 40% bands I’m sure will be increased to lower peoples tax burden

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The single currency meant its dominance was compounded

Tax on business raises Very little in the grand scheme at all. You really need to look at the big costs in public services future it and work how to address it

Good job higher corporate tax isn’t the only way I’d want to raise funds.

On Germany I think you’re just reluctant to accept they played a difficult hand much better than we did. Their car industry is still thriving as you will no doubt be aware despite it being very heavily unionised. We on the other hand except for a few luxury manufacturers must go cap in hand to foreign companies hoping they won’t take factories elsewhere.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

oh the average tax burden will reduce under truss income tax base and 40% bands I’m sure will be increased to lower peoples tax burden

Tax cuts cost money don’t they? Where’s the funding for that coming from?

 

[Ian1779]

Because we have a predominately right wing media. So he might be but we would be unlikely to hear if so.

Can't you grow up and not use these silly nicknames?

Did you give Corbyn the same kind of excuse when he was battling the media?

Somehow managed still to get his ‘Marxist manifesto’ out there though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Did you give Corbyn the same kind of excuse when he was battling the media?

Somehow managed still to get his ‘Marxist manifesto’ out there though.

He also aggressively used rallies to good effect and campaigned energetically, in 2017 anyway. Equally if he’s not keen on that he could always go proper Blair and get cosy with traditionally hostile publications. The Telegraph is too far gone but the Times, Sun and even Mail at a stretch could be buttered up.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Did you give Corbyn the same kind of excuse when he was battling the media?

Somehow managed still to get his ‘Marxist manifesto’ out there though.

Absolutely and Miliband and indeed every Labour leader.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

He also aggressively used rallies to good effect and campaigned energetically, in 2017 anyway. Equally if he’s not keen on that he could always go proper Blair and get cosy with traditionally hostile publications. The Telegraph is too far gone but the Times, Sun and even Mail at a stretch could be buttered up.

I don't know where you get the impression I am on the right of Labour. I didn't vote for Blair and I did vote for Corbyn, despite being appalled by his stance on Brexit. But for me virtually anything is better than Tory.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't know where you get the impression I am on the right of Labour. I didn't vote for Blair and I did vote for Corbyn, despite being appalled by his stance on Brexit. But for me virtually anything is better than Tory.

I didn’t say you were?

 

[clint van damme]

He also aggressively used rallies to good effect and campaigned energetically, in 2017 anyway. Equally if he’s not keen on that he could always go proper Blair and get cosy with traditionally hostile publications. The Telegraph is too far gone but the Times, Sun and even Mail at a stretch could be buttered up.

He's written in the Sun.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I didn’t say you were?

Sorry I think Ian was implying it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He's written in the Sun.

Page 3 doesn’t count

 

[CCFCSteve]

For me I think it's ridiculous that there's no equivalence between businesses and people. People are actually living, sentient beings. Businesses are not.

Businesses pay their tax on profits, people on gross income. That's ridiculous. It'd be like having a person with a six figure income not paying tax because he's bought a mansion, a Ferrari and eats his dinner in a Michelin restaurant every night.

If you charged tax on revenue, the rate could drop drastically to at least 5%, maybe lower. Then the tax burden on ordinary people would be reduced. It'd have the advantage of getting rid of the ludicrous things of companies being able to carry forward/back profits against tax.

I agree that an international tax for multi nationals should be based around revenues generated in each country but for most normal businesses taxing revenue wouldn’t work. You’d end up with loads of businesses, especially in early stages, paying tax when they are loss making or barely making a profit. Id imagine this would stifle growth.

For example, under the 5% example a small business turning over 500k and breaking even would still pay 25k tax which could’ve paid for a new member of staff, materials or a new machine etc

 

[Ian1779]

Sorry I think Ian was implying it

I wasn’t actually - what I was implying is that there is still enough of a platform to get a message about cost of living/NHS and he has turned away from doing it. Even this week with the strikes it was an opportunity to show millions of union members (all of which have a vote last time I checked) that he supports them and is on their side and again he hasn’t.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sunak’s said he wants to narrow the definition of asylum and to make aid conditional on countries taking asylum seekers back.

What the actual fuck

 

[PVA]

Sunak’s said he wants to narrow the definition of asylum and to make aid conditional on countries taking asylum seekers back.

What the actual fuck

Hopefully that's just a case of appealing to the headbangers and not something he'd actually implement.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Starmer is a spinleless dud but you’ll back him regardless… it’s embarrassing.

Would it not be spineless to let your shadow cabinet colleagues strike when you explicitly ban them from doing so?

I’ve not got a problem with backbenchers playing activist politics, but the cabinet/shadow cabinet are supposed to be a credible government or government in waiting.

A cabinet is bound by collective responsibility and if you disagree with a policy, you resign or get sacked.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hopefully that's just a case of appealing to the headbangers and not something he'd actually implement.

Another question went ‘how do you stop lazy people guzzling benefits’. Jesus wept and this party claims to be in the centre?

 

[fernandopartridge]

People dying in corridors but hey Keith said something about strikes so I couldn't possibly vote Labour even if doing so might improve the NHS.

Labour is committed to some pointless fiscal rule, how do you foresee fixing the NHS in that context? It needs both capital and big increase in ongoing revenue spending

FYI despite saying they will not do, for 12 years the Tories have run a current account deficit even whilst slashing departmental and a historically low growth in NHS funding.

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