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skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2022

JAM See said:
Interesting...

Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland for first time

Demographic shift shown in census was expected but will still deliver psychological blow to unionists

www.theguardian.com

Biggest mistake the unionist ever made was backing brexit. Regardless of how the population dynamics was changing EU membership largely negated the the need or desire for a united Ireland. It’s not just catholics that want a united Ireland now, growing numbers of Protestants do. Especially amongst the younger generations who never knew the troubles so not indoctrinated in a dying mentality, they just want their EU rights back. Also the rights to be treated equal to other UK citizens if you’re pro choice and/or believe in equality for the LGBT community. Many feel that will never happen so long as Northern Ireland is part of the UK as Westminster is happy to let the unionists call the shots, a united Ireland changes that overnight.

shmmeee · Sep 22, 2022

Of course if you want growth and don’t care about being popular there is one major economic policy you could implement that’s guaranteed to boost GDP…

Not sure she means unpopular with her own party though.

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2022

Fracking not even popular amongst their own by the look of it. No one is buying it

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2022

If only he could eat a bacon sandwich

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2022

Imagine if Diane Abbot…

stupot07 · Sep 22, 2022

Ffs....and we let him be prime minister..

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PVA · Sep 22, 2022

'If Diane Abbott...'

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2022

Interesting.

As one pundit has put it with the shit Boris has put in there all of a sudden this looks a far more palatable idea than it did 4 years ago. Although I think it was already quite a popular suggestion.

fernandopartridge · Sep 22, 2022

shmmeee said:
My issue with bankers bonuses is that it signals an amnesiac moment about why we limited them in the first place. This is straight out the 80s playbook of “big bang, take all the restraints off finance” and every time that ends in a crash after a period of unequal growth. It’s not even close to the top 100 issues the U.K. economy faces but was her first policy out the gate. Which suggests to me she’s bought and paid for.

There is absolutely no evidence that banker's bonuses have any sort of wider economic benefit. Surely they are just extracting money from the economy?

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David O'Day · Sep 23, 2022

interesting

fernandopartridge · Sep 23, 2022

David O'Day said:
interesting

My fixed rate on the mortgage runs out at the end of April 2023, the rate on any new deal is nearly double what it is currently. Yet more money being extracted from the real economy.

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SkyBlueCharlie9 · Sep 23, 2022

Grendel said:
Some companies in Japan are reducing pay by 20% and allowing employees to take other jobs who sign up to a 4 day week - ok with that?

With Truss/Tories/Brexit we are all gonna need second jobs soon...... to feed ourselves and heat and light our homes.... gota love the fuckwits.

shmmeee · Sep 23, 2022

Fucking R4 at it again. At this point it’s just free parrynpoltifial broadcasts at the moment. They haven’t asked once how much all this will cost, or how it’ll work, they’re just playing entirely into this ludicrous framing.

Literally the only people using this strawman argument about growth benefitting the rich are BBC journalists.

shmmeee · Sep 23, 2022

Grendel said:
Some companies in Japan are reducing pay by 20% and allowing employees to take other jobs who sign up to a 4 day week - ok with that?

Part time pro rata work exists all over the globe and has forever?

CCFCSteve · Sep 23, 2022

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
With Truss/Tories/Brexit we are all gonna need second jobs soon...... to feed ourselves and heat and light our homes.... gota love the fuckwits.

Im no fan of Truss but 100bn to keep energy prices low is significant assistance. It’s going to be a painful time for a lot of people though. We’ve lived in a false world during Covid with furlough, printing loads of money, propping up businesses etc. this was always going to come to some extent…you can’t stop the world for a year and then expect it to operate as before. unfortunately Putin then decided to start a war to double inflation and make it even worse for us and Europe

The problem with Truss is her ideology is getting in the way of helping the poorest more, well, from what I’ve heard so far anyway. Think this will bite her in the arse big time (unpleasant image) unless she changes tack quickly

With all the changes in ministerial positions pre and post Johnson, leadership election etc has left us well behind the curve on health etc. inexcusable

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Im no fan of Truss but 100bn to keep energy prices low is significant assistance. It’s going to be a painful time for a lot of people though. We’ve lived in a false world during Covid with furlough, printing loads of money, propping up businesses etc. this was always going to come to some extent…you can’t stop the world for a year and then expect it to operate as before. unfortunately Putin then decided to start a war to double inflation and make it even worse for us and Europe

The problem with Truss is her ideology is getting in the way of helping the poorest more, well, from what I’ve heard so far anyway. Think this will bite her in the arse big time (unpleasant image) unless she changes tack quickly

With all the changes in ministerial positions pre and post Johnson, leadership election etc has left us well behind the curve on health etc. inexcusable

Of course Covid was going to hit, but traditionally you brace yourself for higher taxes to help the poorer out - and even Johnson and Sunak got that! I'll repeat, Truss is going for the Corbyn playbook of borrow the cash and don't think about what that might do in terms of inflation (think interest rates are high now? Truss's policies mean they might well go far higher yet.

So when you then couple that borrowing to policies that seemingly ignore the poorer at the expense of the richer, you have to ask whether Truss is either still a Lib Dem who's infiltrated the Tories to bring them down, or is a Russian agent, as it's so spectacularly economically illiterate, it can only result in pain for all but a small elite.

And it's time to emigrate if those policies get her re-elected(!)

PVA · Sep 23, 2022

shmmeee said:
Fucking R4 at it again. At this point it’s just free parrynpoltifial broadcasts at the moment. They haven’t asked once how much all this will cost, or how it’ll work, they’re just playing entirely into this ludicrous framing.

Literally the only people using this strawman argument about growth benefitting the rich are BBC journalists.

I don't listen to R4 so cant comment on that channel specifically, but the whole of the BBC seems to be at it.

Just smile and nod along to Tory plans but whenever anyone Labour mentions anything there's an instant demand of a full explanation of how it would be paid for. Fucking joke.

CCFCSteve · Sep 23, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Of course Covid was going to hit, but traditionally you brace yourself for higher taxes to help the poorer out - and even Johnson and Sunak got that! I'll repeat, Truss is going for the Corbyn playbook of borrow the cash and don't think about what that might do in terms of inflation (think interest rates are high now? Truss's policies mean they might well go far higher yet.

So when you then couple that borrowing to policies that seemingly ignore the poorer at the expense of the richer, you have to ask whether Truss is either still a Lib Dem who's infiltrated the Tories to bring them down, or is a Russian agent, as it's so spectacularly economically illiterate, it can only result in pain for all but a small elite.

And it's time to emigrate if those policies get her re-elected(!)

I share your concerns ! People wanted Johnson out and after all the lying he had to go in my book but I think I said, and possibly you too, be careful what you wish for !

People were then more concerned about when Sunak misspoke when he was 20 or his families wealth than policy but I think he ‘got it’…certainly a lot more than Truss

Let’s see what Kwarteng comes up with today

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
I share your concerns ! People wanted Johnson out and after all the lying he had to go in my book but I think I said, and possibly you too, be careful what you wish for !

People were then more concerned about when Sunak misspoke when he was 20 or his families wealth than policy but I think he ‘got it’…certainly a lot more than Truss

Let’s see what Kwarteng comes up with today

Johnson should never have been PM in the first place as he's a workshy disgrace who can't be bothered putting in the effort you need to. He was, however, the closest to a tolerable end of the Tories from my ideological POV, although sold himself out to the uber-righties on certain issues in his lust for power.

What we're left with, however, makes John Major look positively Marxist!

CCFCSteve · Sep 23, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Johnson should never have been PM in the first place as he's a workshy disgrace who can't be bothered putting in the effort you need to. He was, however, the closest to a tolerable end of the Tories from my ideological POV, although sold himself out to the uber-righties on certain issues in his lust for power.

What we're left with, however, makes John Major look positively Marxist!

I said to my brother from day one, he’d need a strong, capable team around him…unfortunately he went for mainly weak, followers in his cabinet. Master of his own downfall

skybluetony176 · Sep 23, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
I said to my brother from day one, he’d need a strong, capable team around him…unfortunately he went for mainly weak, followers in his cabinet. Master of his own downfall

He purged anyone capable because anyone capable were too capable to tow his line of BS. To surround himself with a weak cabinet ended up his only choice. He had Desmond Swayne in his final cabinet FFS, that’s how bad it was.

shmmeee · Sep 23, 2022

PVA said:
I don't listen to R4 so cant comment on that channel specifically, but the whole of the BBC seems to be at it.

Just smile and nod along to Tory plans but whenever anyone Labour mentions anything there's an instant demand of a full explanation of how it would be paid for. Fucking joke.

The entire framing is always “Yea Tories good for economy, but what about poors?” And “Labour help poor but no do money “

Its a complete nonsense.

AOM · Sep 23, 2022

stupot07 said:
Ffs....and we let him be prime minister..

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Freudian slip there

David O'Day · Sep 23, 2022

1% off lower tax rate and the higher tax rate abolished

Class war

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Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

Capitalist interlude - I assume the stamp duty change doesn't affect you if you already own a home and are looking to buy another?

Asking for a friend

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 23, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Capitalist interlude - I assume the stamp duty change doesn't affect you if you already own a home and are looking to buy another?

Asking for a friend

It didn’t

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
It didn’t

I suspected so. Ah well, that means I get to be shouted at even more.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 23, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
I suspected so. Ah well, that means I get to be shouted at even more.

I’m worried all this will do is accelerate the gap between haves and have nots and many many families are going to struggle to pay their mortgages

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m worried all this will do is accelerate the gap between haves and have nots and many many families are going to struggle to pay their mortgages

Nothing to worry about, it's a certainty that the better off benefit more. It's astonishing, really.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 23, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Nothing to worry about, it's a certainty that the better off benefit more. It's astonishing, really.

I’m worried that it’s a certainty that families will lose their homes

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

First shots against unions too.

SBAndy · Sep 23, 2022

It’s absolutely crackers.

David O'Day · Sep 23, 2022

Pretty much this

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jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 23, 2022

David O'Day said:
interesting

This is what happens when successive governments of both colours continue to either prop up or actively pump up an already vastly over-priced asset market.......

.....and the public, as a whole, lap it up.....get all gooey over phil & kirstie, start thinking they're a property tycoon cos they've got a BTL in scunthorpe, or live beyond their means for years cos they've "got equity" in their house.....

The whole lot should have crashed in 2008.....but the cunts just kept kicking the cans further down the road......

....I think they may fine that around the next corner is the end of the road & a very big pile of cans.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 23, 2022

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
This is what happens when successive governments of both colours continue to either prop up or actively pump up an already vastly over-priced asset market.......

.....and the public, as a whole, lap it up.....get all gooey over phil & kirstie, start thinking they're a property tycoon cos they've got a BTL in scunthorpe, or live beyond their means for years cos they've "got equity" in their house.....

The whole lot should have crashed in 2008.....but the cunts just kept kicking the cans further down the road......

....I think they may fine that around the next corner is the end of the road & a very big pile of cans.

Part of me would like to agree with you, but I've been thinking that since about 2001-ish when it exploded upwards, and it's yet to happen!

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