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Brighton Sky Blue
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Indeed. People already don’t take the full course properly.
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The problem is more that they are prescribed too often and unnecessarily. This will just compound the problem.
Flying Fokker
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just Wondering? Ho
My vote is adversarial. I vote for the least bad. I’m struggling to find a party to vote for at the moment. Labour talks politics but has yet to demonstrate how they will run the country. There are some mouths in the party that I just don’t want to hear. Ryner is waiting to ‘fuckin kick star me’. Starmer is greyer than John Major. the likes of Jess Phillips Rachel Reece? And Ed milliband need to put their views across. How will Labour manage the economy? Health and social care, not just the NHS either. The moment Corbyen was ousted is the moment Labour started to rise again. The tortes seem to be doing a pretty good job of handing it to them on a plate.
shmmeee
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Both are an issue. You end up with more resistance if you don’t finish the course I believe, and of course the likely need for another course.
Whatever the issue, handing them out like tic tacs isn’t the answer!
There’s a good case for more pharmacist involvement in drug delivery to take the strain from GPs, but not antibiotics.
I do wonder if you couldn’t move a lot of front line healthcare to something cheaper with the amount of tools to support diagnosis these days. Sort of like a triage for actual GPs to deal with less of the nonsense and focus where they’re needed.
chiefdave
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isn't passing prescription meds to someone other than the person they are prescribed to technically illegal?
Think there's definitely a case for more qualified staff in pharmacies who can give out medications that currently require a doctors appointment. Mate of mine has a kid who regularly gets ear infections, every time it requires a doctors appointment, could things like that be dealt with better in a pharmacy?
Of course this plan would require better qualified staff and / or training and that's not going to happen as that costs money.
Antibiotics are exactly the wrong thing to be dishing out at the moment when everyone knows there's an issue with their over use.
Think there's definitely a case for more qualified staff in pharmacies who can give out medications that currently require a doctors appointment. Mate of mine has a kid who regularly gets ear infections, every time it requires a doctors appointment, could things like that be dealt with better in a pharmacy?
Of course this plan would require better qualified staff and / or training and that's not going to happen as that costs money.
Antibiotics are exactly the wrong thing to be dishing out at the moment when everyone knows there's an issue with their over use.
Going against the grain (as usual), I’ve not got a major issue with stuff like this, obviously within reason/only certain meds and after trials. I’ve got three mates who are pharmacists and Id be happy for them to prescribe any medication. You’re probably also at the same risk of a busy GP overprescribing antibiotics as a pharmacist.
The underlying reason is a good one. They are trying to relieve pressure on GPs. Australia I think are also trialing this and it’s already in place on Scotland. A couple of quotes from the Times article (first one appears to have altered Coffeys gender although, wouldn’t surprise me !)
‘Although Coffey is not considering making antibiotics available over the counter, he is planning a Scottish-style scheme that would allow pharmacists to prescribe antibiotics, without the advice of a doctor, to patients they believe are suffering from certain conditions’
What’s more concerning is this is our Health secretary…..
‘Thérèse Coffey, the health secretary, has pushed to make antibiotics more freely available and has said that she has previously handed out her own supplies of the medicines to friends and family who were feeling unwell.’
shmmeee
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Going against the grain (as usual), I’ve not got a major issue with stuff like this, obviously within reason/only certain meds and after trials. I’ve got three mates who are pharmacists and Id be happy for them to prescribe any medication. You’re probably also at the same risk of a busy GP overprescribing antibiotics as a pharmacist.
The underlying reason is a good one. They are trying to relieve pressure on GPs. Australia I think are also trialing this and it’s already in place on Scotland. A couple of quotes from the Times article (first one appears to have altered Coffeys gender although, wouldn’t surprise me !)
‘Although Coffey is not considering making antibiotics available over the counter, he is planning a Scottish-style scheme that would allow pharmacists to prescribe antibiotics, without the advice of a doctor, to patients they believe are suffering from certain conditions’
What’s more concerning is this is our Health secretary…..
‘Thérèse Coffey, the health secretary, has pushed to make antibiotics more freely available and has said that she has previously handed out her own supplies of the medicines to friends and family who were feeling unwell.’
I agree to a point, just not sure with the specific issues around antibiotics reducing controls on them is the best place to start. Pharmacists should definitely be more involved (and are! You can already go to the pharmacist for a bunch of stuff people go to GPs for, they should make that better known IMO)
skybluetony176
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Well well well
www.telegraph.co.uk
Project Fear was right all along
Six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has brought a calamitous loss of standing
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Philosoraptor
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Think it goes to show how relatively insignificant we are on the global stage. The US government obviously doesn’t have to fear the market reaction if it decides to go for giant tax cuts - we apparently thought the same applied to us and got beaten around like an emerging market. Even the eurozone is taking steps to stop weaker countries getting routed when their public finances go haywire, and here we are with even the Greeks making jokes at our expense.
Sky Blue Pete
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Can’t believe they’ve fucked things up for nothing
America are in a bit of trouble themselves, equally of their own making. Their bond yields and mortgage rates are pretty much the same as ours. I’d go as far to say that some of our/EU interest rate issues are thanks to America fiscal policy fuelling demand/inflation and then the fed having to raise rates aggressively to try to stifle it…meaning everyone has to follow to protect their own currency.
The eurozone are taking steps to try to protect some smaller countries although again the Italian bond yields are similar to/higher than ours. They ultimately need to do this to try to protect the Euro though and I think this period could be one of their greatest challenges
It’s not our ‘insignificance’ that matters, smaller economies than ours can borrow at lower rates…it’s credibility. Kwartang/Truss mini budget was a major fuck up due to their arrogance that the markets don’t matter…well they do, as that’s where we need to go for a decent proportion of our government borrowings. Also, if BOE think fiscal policies are inflationary they’ll have to raise rates even higher. It was a shambles all round.
Ps just heard Hunts also pulling/delaying the income tax rate reduction. I’d imagine by the time he’s finished they’ll be just the energy assistance left ! What mandate has Truss got ?! Members voted her in on policies that are now all being reversed/ rejected
edit - I nearly sent myself to sleep re-reading that. Sorry all
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shmmeee
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She’s got no mandate, but then neither has Sunak or Mordaunt from the members or the public if they get coronated. The only democratic way out of this now is an election surely? But I can’t see them giving up power willingly.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Simple question-do you think there needs to be an election this side of Christmas?
Sick Boy
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Don't you agree that she now has next to no mandate and a GE should be called? It's beyond a farce now - she is clearly in no way up to the job.
Fair point. I should’ve clarified she’s not even got a mandate from her own party. I also think if as a new leader you move significantly away from manifesto (without good reason such as emergencies like energy, covid etc) you really should be having an election. Won’t happen though as you say
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As I said before, bizarrely the two main parties' attempts at democratising their leadership elections make them less democratic. We elect our MP, who then choose their leader. What we don't elect is the party memberships, who actually do that nowadays!
And tbf a Sunak Premiership would have been a lot closer to what the country had elected previously...
If whoevers in charge moves away from the conservatives manifesto/mandate from previous election, yes I think there should be a GE. I didn’t think Truss had a mandate for a majority of what she/kwarteng were proposing. That’s likely to change now, however, there is a strong argument the current shitshow cant continue. It will though
shmmeee
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Does the manifesto being utter shite count as an emergency?
Sadly you can never hold governments to manifestos cos of events.
I’ll also say I’ve no idea why Labour haven’t tabled a VoNC, at worst it’ll force the Tories to circle the wagons.
I also wonder how stable a new government would be if it loses 50+ headbangers. The fundamental issue in the PCP that got rid of May and out Boris and Truss in still exists.
skybluetony176
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Tories tearing themselves apart
I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s gone by the end of the week (I actually wouldn’t be surprised if she’s gone by lunchtime Monday), caretaker government ahead of a GE in the new year. This can’t carry on. She doesn’t have a mandate from her MP’s, she’s not following through the mandate she ran on for the leadership, more people in the UK voted for the posties to go on strike than voted for her to be PM, her new chancellor is briefing against her and seems to be the de facto PM, her MP’s are speaking out against her at every opportunity. It’s ridiculous, Labour need’s to get it’s shit together and table a vote of no confidence no later than Tuesday, give them Monday to do what’s right by the country and if they can’t do it labour and all the opposition parties need to force it. We’re a rudderless ship.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s gone by the end of the week (I actually wouldn’t be surprised if she’s gone by lunchtime Monday), caretaker government ahead of a GE in the new year. This can’t carry on. She doesn’t have a mandate from her MP’s, she’s not following through the mandate she ran on for the leadership, more people in the UK voted for the posties to go on strike than voted for her to be PM, her new chancellor is briefing against her and seems to be the de facto PM, her MP’s are speaking out against her at every opportunity. It’s ridiculous, Labour need’s to get it’s shit together and table a vote of no confidence no later than Tuesday, give them Monday to do what’s right by the country and if they can’t do it labour and all the opposition parties need to force it. We’re a rudderless ship.
skybluetony176
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Press going after her whole team. She might have to lose her top aid if nothing else on Monday
JAM See
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And this is from Rupert's own rag.
If Murdoch is sanctioning this, then the end is surely nigh for the current Prime Minister.
Death by a thousand cuts.
skybluetony176
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skybluetony176
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Not sure they can. He’s facing a parliamentary investigation about whether he lied in parliament when he lied in parliament. They know it and can’t risk bringing him back only for him to have to resign again. They’re done, any Tory with a brain can see that, some are even saying they need to lose a GE and spend time in opposition to remember who they are and start again.
JAM See
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Hmm. There's a word that I can't quite bring to mind.
It's got an O and an X and a Y and an M and some other letters.
skybluetony176
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Blue on blue
skybluetony176
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Was thinking this the other day when some Tory MP (might have been Douglas Ross) was suggesting that there’s nothing unique about the UK’s situation comparing us to Italy. Italy has been virtually an economic basket case as long as I’ve been alive, if not longer. Are we really justifying our plight by shortening the measuring tape to say we still go all the way to the end. No offence Italy.
clint van damme
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It's like the 'dont get prissy about eating mouldy food or swimming in shit headlines from the right wing rags, no matter how far our standards fall they'll try and defend it and dacres is going to end up in the Lords, country's a joke.
skybluetony176
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MHancock has crawled out from under his rock